Re: ARLA/CLUSTER: Thales (França) vem dizer que só pretende apoiar a utilização das bandas de 137-138 MHz e 148-149,9 MHz para a exploração espacial dos satélites nano e pico.

[João Costa > CT1FBF]

Bem me parece, que eles nunca imaginaram que as coisas tivessem uma
resposta tão "violenta" e de forma tão rápida.

Acho que já estão em regime de "contenção de danos" e a própria França, já
vem dizer que afinal tudo não passa de um enorme mal entendido, a sua
"proposta"  só terá a haver com as bandas abaixo e acima dos 144 a 146 MHz
e nunca teve nada a ver com o Serviço de Amador e Amador por Satélite e o
seu estatuto primário a nível mundial nesse segmento.

Vamos aguarda pela reunião de Agosto, para ver onde param as "modas".

Uma tradução livre da ultima parte do texto do Geoffrey (F4FXL):

" Sim, é isso ... Nenhuma informação (existe ainda) se a proposta será
colocada na agenda da WRC-23 ou não. O único raio de esperança que vejo é a
seguinte frase: “O exame do RR abaixo e acima da faixa de 144-146 MHz
sugere que propostas alternativas poderiam ser desenvolvidas para fornecer
espectro adicional para as aplicações aeronáuticas sem afectar o espectro
dos serviços amadores� . No entanto, isso não nos diz se propostas
alternativas foram feitas ou não.

Outro documento lista todos os participantes da reunião. Apenas olhando
para os participantes franceses, dos 13 participantes, 6 são representantes
de empresas! Dos 6 participantes representativos corporativos, 4 são da
Thales. A minha interpretação é que Thales está realmente pressionando a
CEPT para conseguir o que querem. "

João Costa (CT1FBF)

José Luís Proença <ct1gzb  gmail.com> escreveu no dia terça, 25/06/2019 à (s)
16:43:

> Tudo o que essa ou outras empresas venham dizer a respeito do espectro
> radio-eléctrico é conversa de embalar...
>
> 73 de José Luís Proença, Operador do Posto Receptor/Emissor CT1GZB
> ARVM #53, REP #1418, SKCC #8178, CT-QRP #058, NRA PN#077, ARRLx #054, GPCW
> #007
> http://ct1gzb.blogspot.com
>
>
> João Costa > CT1FBF <ct1fbf  gmail.com> escreveu no dia terça, 25/06/2019
> Ã (s) 13:51:
>
>> Commentaires de Thales suite à la consultation : En tant que partie
>> prenante des systèmes ARGOS et Kinéis, qui se heurtent à la prolifération
>> des télécommandes de forte puissance dans la bande 401-403 MHz .
>>
>> Thales soutient pleinement la position française d’utiliser les bandes
>> 137-138 MHz et 148-149.9 MHz pour l’exploitation spatiale des nano et pico
>> satellites.
>>
>>
>> *******************************************************************************************************
>> Update on the threats on 2m amateur band
>>  Geoffrey F4FXL <https://www.f4fxl.org/author/admin/> June 22, 2019
>> <https://www.f4fxl.org/update-on-the-threats-on-2m-amateur-band/>Ham
>> Radio <https://www.f4fxl.org/category/ham-radio/>
>>
>> <https://www.f4fxl.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/warning.jpg>The CEPT
>> meeting is over. Reading the minutes
>> <https://cept.org/Documents/cpg-pt-a/52280/pta-19-105_minutes-pta-7>of
>> the meeting raises more questions than answers.
>>
>> There is lot of discussion about the future of the 23cm amateur band and
>> cohabitation with Galileo. Yet I cannot tell if all this is good or bad for
>> amateurs.
>>
>> There is only one paragraph about the french proposal to take over the
>> 2m amateur band.
>> <https://www.f4fxl.org/2m-amateur-radio-band-endangered/> This is the
>> input of the IARU representative.
>>
>> The representative of the IARU stated that, the IARU views with grave
>> concern the element of the WRC-23 agenda item proposal 1.6 in the AI10 ECP,
>> on studies towards a possible new allocation to the aeronautical mobile
>> service in the band 144-146 MHz. This band is an important and the only
>> globally harmonised primary allocation to the amateur and amateur satellite
>> services in the VHF range. Examination of the RR below and above the
>> 144-146 MHz range suggests that alternative proposals could be developed
>> that could provide further spectrum for the aeronautical applications
>> without impacting on this amateur service spectrum. The proposal provides
>> no justification for addressing this band and the IARU believes that
>> sharing with airborne systems is likely to be difficult and will lead to
>> constraints on the development of the amateur and amateur satellite
>> services in this band.
>>
>> Yep that’s it… No information whether the proposal will be put on the
>> WRC23 agenda or not. The only ray of hope I see is the following sentence : *“Examination
>> of the RR below and above the 144-146 MHz range suggests that alternative
>> proposals could be developed that could provide further spectrum for the
>> aeronautical applications without impacting on this amateur service
>> spectrum�. **However, this does not tell us if alternate proposals have
>> been made or not.*
>>
>> Another document
>> <https://cept.org/Documents/cpg-pt-a/52281/pta-19-105-annex-i_lop-pta-7> lists
>> all the meeting attendees. *Just looking at the french attendees, out of
>> 13 attendees 6 are representatives of corporates! Out of 6 corporate
>> representative attendees, 4 are from Thales.* My interpretation is that
>> Thales is really putting pressure on the CEPT to get what they want. In the
>> list below the corporate representatives are marked in red.
>>
>>    - 6 France Eric Allaix Meteo France
>>    - 7 France Mohamed Benseddik *THALES* ALENIA SPACE
>>    - 8 France Thibaut Caillet ANFR
>>    - 9 France Hugues De Bailliencourt AIRBUS
>>    - 10 France Emmanuel Faussurier ANFR
>>    - 11 France Benoit Louvet *Thales* Alenia Space
>>    - 12 France Ivan Martin *THALES* Communication
>>    - 13 France Christine Mengelle *Thales* Alenia Space
>>    - 14 France yves piriou ANFR
>>    - 15 France Jean Pla Centre national d’études
>>    - 16 France Rodolphe Quemerais Ministry of Armies / DGN
>>    - 17 France Philippe Tristant EUMETNET/ESA/EUME
>>    - 18 France Halina Uryga Orange
>>
>> Two persons are of interests: Mr Mohamed Benseddik
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/mohamed-benseddik-b807b586/> and Mr Ivan
>> Martin <https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivan-martin-51a47b18/> both
>> gentlemen are in charge of regulatory topics at Thales.
>>
>> Googling for the name Ivan Martin brings up an old document where,
>> somewhere around 2012, Thales was already crying for frequencies for their
>> drones, but there is no mention of amateur VHF band.
>>
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