<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Bem me parece, que eles nunca imaginaram que as coisas tivessem uma resposta tão "violenta" e de forma tão rápida.<div><br></div><div>Acho que já estão em regime de "contenção de danos" e a própria França, já vem dizer que afinal tudo não passa de um enorme mal entendido, a sua "proposta" só terá a haver com as bandas abaixo e acima dos 144 a 146 MHz e nunca teve nada a ver com o Serviço de Amador e Amador por Satélite e o seu estatuto primário a nível mundial nesse segmento.</div><div><br></div><div>Vamos aguarda pela reunião de Agosto, para ver onde param as "modas".</div><div><br></div><div>Uma tradução livre da ultima parte do texto do Geoffrey (F4FXL):</div><div><br></div><div>" Sim, é isso ... Nenhuma informação (existe ainda) se a proposta será colocada na agenda da WRC-23 ou não. O único raio de esperança que vejo é a seguinte frase: “O exame do RR abaixo e acima da faixa de 144-146 MHz sugere que propostas alternativas poderiam ser desenvolvidas para fornecer espectro adicional para as aplicações aeronáuticas sem afectar o espectro dos serviços amadores” . No entanto, isso não nos diz se propostas alternativas foram feitas ou não.</div><br>Outro documento lista todos os participantes da reunião. Apenas olhando para os participantes franceses, dos 13 participantes, 6 são representantes de empresas! Dos 6 participantes representativos corporativos, 4 são da Thales. A minha interpretação é que Thales está realmente pressionando a CEPT para conseguir o que querem. "</div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>João Costa (CT1FBF)</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">José Luís Proença <<a href="mailto:ct1gzb@gmail.com">ct1gzb@gmail.com</a>> escreveu no dia terça, 25/06/2019 à(s) 16:43:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><font size="4">Tudo o que essa ou outras empresas venham dizer a respeito do espectro radio-eléctrico é conversa de embalar...</font><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:rgb(0,0,0)">73 de José
Luís Proença, Operador do Posto Receptor/Emissor CT1GZB<br>ARVM #53, REP #1418, SKCC #8178, CT-QRP #058, NRA PN#077, ARRLx #054, GPCW #007<br><a href="http://ct1gzb.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://ct1gzb.blogspot.com</a><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">João Costa > CT1FBF <<a href="mailto:ct1fbf@gmail.com" target="_blank">ct1fbf@gmail.com</a>> escreveu no dia terça, 25/06/2019 à(s) 13:51:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Commentaires de Thales suite à la consultation : En tant que partie prenante des systèmes ARGOS et Kinéis, qui se heurtent à la prolifération des télécommandes de forte puissance dans la bande 401-403 MHz .<br><br>Thales soutient pleinement la position française d’utiliser les bandes 137-138 MHz et 148-149.9 MHz pour l’exploitation spatiale des nano et pico satellites.<div><br></div><div>*******************************************************************************************************<br><h1 class="gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699entry-title" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:34px;clear:none;font-weight:normal;color:rgb(68,68,68);line-height:1.3;font-family:Oswald">Update on the threats on 2m amateur band</h1><div class="gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699entry-meta" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:0.9em;clear:both;overflow:hidden;color:rgb(88,110,16);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif"><span class="gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-author gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-vcard" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 12px 0px 0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:15.3px;display:block;float:left;line-height:2"><i class="gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-crycon-author gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-crycon-metas" title="Author" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px"></i> <a class="gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-url gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-fn gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-n" rel="author" href="https://www.f4fxl.org/author/admin/" title="View all posts by Geoffrey F4FXL" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;color:rgb(88,110,16);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">Geoffrey F4FXL</a></span><span style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 12px 0px 0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:15.3px;display:block;float:left;line-height:2"><i class="gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-crycon-time gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-crycon-metas" title="Date" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px"></i> <a href="https://www.f4fxl.org/update-on-the-threats-on-2m-amateur-band/" rel="bookmark" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;color:rgb(88,110,16);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">June 22, 2019</a></span><span class="gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-bl_categ" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 12px 0px 0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-size:15.3px;display:block;float:left;line-height:2"><i class="gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-crycon-folder-open gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-crycon-metas" title="Categories" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px"></i><a href="https://www.f4fxl.org/category/ham-radio/" rel="tag" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;color:rgb(88,110,16);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank">Ham Radio</a></span></div><div class="gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699entry-content" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:8px 0px 0px;border:0px;font-size:17px;clear:both;text-align:justify;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif"><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px"><a href="https://www.f4fxl.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/warning.jpg" class="gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-liimagelink" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;color:rgb(138,172,26);text-decoration-line:none" target="_blank"><img class="gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-alignleft gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-size-medium gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-wp-image-711 gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-mwl-img" src="https://www.f4fxl.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/warning-300x264.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="264" style="box-sizing: inherit; margin: 4px 24px 12px 0px; padding: 0px; border: none; float: left; max-width: 100%; height: auto; opacity: 0.99;"></a>The CEPT meeting is over. Reading the <a href="https://cept.org/Documents/cpg-pt-a/52280/pta-19-105_minutes-pta-7" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-liexternal" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px 12px 0px 0px;border:0px;color:rgb(138,172,26);text-decoration-line:none;background:url("") 100% 50% no-repeat" target="_blank">minutes</a>of the meeting raises more questions than answers.<span id="gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-more-705" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px"></span></p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px">There is lot of discussion about the future of the 23cm amateur band and cohabitation with Galileo. Yet I cannot tell if all this is good or bad for amateurs.</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px">There is only one paragraph about the <a href="https://www.f4fxl.org/2m-amateur-radio-band-endangered/" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-liexternal" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px 12px 0px 0px;border:0px;color:rgb(138,172,26);text-decoration-line:none;background:url("") 100% 50% no-repeat" target="_blank">french proposal to take over the 2m amateur band.</a> This is the input of the IARU representative.</p><blockquote style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:30px 30px 30px 80px;border-width:1px 0px;border-top-style:solid;border-right-style:initial;border-bottom-style:solid;border-left-style:initial;border-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-size:1.1em;quotes:none;font-style:italic"><p class="gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-western" lang="en-GB" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px">The representative of the IARU stated that, the IARU views with grave concern the element of the WRC-23 agenda item proposal 1.6 in the AI10 ECP, on studies towards a possible new allocation to the aeronautical mobile service in the band 144-146 MHz. This band is an important and the only globally harmonised primary allocation to the amateur and amateur satellite services in the VHF range. Examination of the RR below and above the 144-146 MHz range suggests that alternative proposals could be developed that could provide further spectrum for the aeronautical applications without impacting on this amateur service spectrum. The proposal provides no justification for addressing this band and the IARU believes that sharing with airborne systems is likely to be difficult and will lead to constraints on the development of the amateur and amateur satellite services in this band.</p></blockquote><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px">Yep that’s it… No information whether the proposal will be put on the WRC23 agenda or not. The only ray of hope I see is the following sentence : <em style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px">“Examination of the RR below and above the 144-146 MHz range suggests that alternative proposals could be developed that could provide further spectrum for the aeronautical applications without impacting on this amateur service spectrum”. </em><strong style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px">However, this does not tell us if alternate proposals have been made or not.</strong></p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px">Another <a href="https://cept.org/Documents/cpg-pt-a/52281/pta-19-105-annex-i_lop-pta-7" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-liexternal" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px 12px 0px 0px;border:0px;color:rgb(138,172,26);text-decoration-line:none;background:url("") 100% 50% no-repeat" target="_blank">document</a> lists all the meeting attendees. <strong style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px">Just looking at the french attendees, out of 13 attendees 6 are representatives of corporates! Out of 6 corporate representative attendees, 4 are from Thales.</strong> My interpretation is that Thales is really putting pressure on the CEPT to get what they want. In the list below the corporate representatives are marked in <span style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;color:rgb(255,0,0)">red</span>.</p><ul style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1em 1.5em;padding:0px;border:0px;list-style:none"><li style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:2px 0px;border:0px;list-style-type:circle">6 France Eric Allaix Meteo France</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:2px 0px;border:0px;list-style-type:circle"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;color:rgb(255,0,0)">7 France Mohamed Benseddik <strong style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px">THALES</strong> ALENIA SPACE</span></li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:2px 0px;border:0px;list-style-type:circle">8 France Thibaut Caillet ANFR</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:2px 0px;border:0px;list-style-type:circle"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;color:rgb(255,0,0)">9 France Hugues De Bailliencourt AIRBUS</span></li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:2px 0px;border:0px;list-style-type:circle">10 France Emmanuel Faussurier ANFR</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:2px 0px;border:0px;list-style-type:circle"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;color:rgb(255,0,0)">11 France Benoit Louvet <strong style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px">Thales</strong> Alenia Space</span></li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:2px 0px;border:0px;list-style-type:circle"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;color:rgb(255,0,0)">12 France Ivan Martin <strong style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px">THALES</strong> Communication</span></li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:2px 0px;border:0px;list-style-type:circle"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;color:rgb(255,0,0)">13 France Christine Mengelle <strong style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px">Thales</strong> Alenia Space</span></li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:2px 0px;border:0px;list-style-type:circle">14 France yves piriou ANFR</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:2px 0px;border:0px;list-style-type:circle">15 France Jean Pla Centre national d’études</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:2px 0px;border:0px;list-style-type:circle">16 France Rodolphe Quemerais Ministry of Armies / DGN</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:2px 0px;border:0px;list-style-type:circle">17 France Philippe Tristant EUMETNET/ESA/EUME</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:2px 0px;border:0px;list-style-type:circle"><span style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;color:rgb(255,0,0)">18 France Halina Uryga Orange</span></li></ul><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px">Two persons are of interests: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mohamed-benseddik-b807b586/" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-liexternal" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px 12px 0px 0px;border:0px;color:rgb(138,172,26);text-decoration-line:none;background:url("") 100% 50% no-repeat" target="_blank">Mr Mohamed Benseddik</a> and <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivan-martin-51a47b18/" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="gmail-m_7470047829650693236gmail-m_7443299973704955699gmail-liexternal" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px;padding:0px 12px 0px 0px;border:0px;color:rgb(138,172,26);text-decoration-line:none;background:url("") 100% 50% no-repeat" target="_blank">Mr Ivan Martin</a> both gentlemen are in charge of regulatory topics at Thales.</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1em;padding:0px;border:0px">Googling for the name Ivan Martin brings up an old document where, somewhere around 2012, Thales was already crying for frequencies for their drones, but there is no mention of amateur VHF band.</p></div><br></div></div>
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