<div dir="ltr"><div>Pedro</div><div><br></div>Sempre e necessariamente dentro do contexto em que foi aplicado.<div><br></div><div>O colega &quot;referiu-se&quot; a uma situação que falámos ontem, ora a partir do momento que eu tenho que fazer forward para outros sistemas ou os convenço a todos a migrarem para a rede 44 ou tenho que ter uma (ou mais gateways) para a dita cuja, gateways essas em internet publica.</div><div><br></div><div>Foi neste contexto a resposta que eu dei.<br><br>Depois como frisas e bem há todo um custo de uma infraestrutura que na otica basica  do utilizador comum nem esta a contabilizar esses custos, quando começarem a abrir os cordões a bolsa depois logo se veria, isto não falando de impedimentos geográficos e outros.</div><div><br></div><div>Uma coisa tão simples como um redutor 7/16 para 3/4 faz com que um repetidor esteja parado a 6 meses, o que aconteceria numa rede hamnet nacional com pelo menos 50 nós remotos nas serras??? O sistema é util para utilizadores privados ou para grupos que pretendam manter o sistema a trabalhar, na Alemanha algumas regiões tem os repetidores (DSTAR, DMR Fusion e outros) na Hamnet, nem sempre operativos ou pelo menos com mais quedas que o nosso sistema &quot;amador&quot; tem tido no conjunto destes anos. Com isto não quero dizer que não o façam, tal como na Alemanha, criem a rede Hamnet e liguem lá o que quiserem, a partir do momento que consigam ligar-se ao Master ou aos reflectores nacionais, isso é decisão de cada um e que eu incentivo a que experimentem, uma coisa é aparecer alguém a levantar dificuldades outra bem diferente é alguém fazer e tentar ultrapassar essas dificuldades.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2018-02-17 14:09 GMT+00:00 Pedro Ribeiro <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ct7abp@gmail.com" target="_blank">ct7abp@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Não necessariamente ...</p>
    <p>Apenas porque é uma solução mais imediata/prática e sem custos
      extra de manutenção da infraestrutura.</p>
    Bom fim de semana, 73!<br>
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    <div class="m_-8953946048948922755moz-cite-prefix">On 2018/02/17 10:09, Jorge Santos
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      <div dir="ltr">Porque a &quot;internet dos radio amadores&quot; precisa da
        internet do povo para trabalhar.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2018-02-16 19:08 GMT+00:00 pmafer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pmafer@gmail.com" target="_blank">pmafer@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Boa tarde a todos,
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              <div>Eu acrescentaria só mais uma dica:</div>
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              <div>Porque não utilizar a &quot;internet&quot; dos radioamadores?
                Por rádio, sem fios ou fibras pelo meio?</div>
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              <div>73</div>
              <div>Paulo</div>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">2018-02-16 16:49 GMT+00:00 Jorge
                Santos <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ct1jib@gmail.com" target="_blank">ct1jib@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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                          <div>Boa tarde colega José Luís e restantes
                            colegas.<br>
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                          Em complemento à primeira parte do seu texto
                          julgo poder dizer que o analógico irá ficar,
                          tal como o AM, por muitos e bons anos. Há quem
                          veja, como refere, a &quot;ocupação&quot; das bandas
                          pelo digital, errado... é só mais uma forma de
                          fazer rádio, como PSK, o FT8 (agora tão em
                          moda) o JT65 à uns 10 anos atrás.<br>
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                        Nós radio amadores somos conhecidos pelo menos,
                        pelo facto da descoberta de novas coisas, já
                        passámos essa fase, hoje em dia não há nada para
                        inventar (pelo menos por enquanto) existe é
                        muita coisa não aplicada e que o poderá ser ao
                        nosso hobbie.<br>
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                      Os sistemas de voz digital são só mais um modo e a
                      tentativa de bater recordes com ele mais uma
                      motivação, tenho agendado para amanhã entre as
                      15:00 e as 17:00 UTC um &quot;encontro&quot; em simplex DMR
                      com o colega CS7ANE de Castelo Branco, obviamente
                      ele vai-se deslocar e fazer uso do seu portátil
                      DMR do cimo de uma serra e eu vou estar sentado em
                      casa com uma X50 para ver da viabilidade de se
                      fazerem 200 kms em DMR. Isto não é nenhuma
                      novidade, qualquer um já fez os mesmos 200 kms em
                      SSB entre estações fixas, aqui a única diferença é
                      o áudio, que em vez de R3 com um bocadinho de
                      ruído é R5.<br>
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                    Ainda voltando aos hotspots e ao digital, e que tal
                    aplicarem o suporte digital (internet) do vosso
                    smartphone ao vosso radio HF que esta montado em
                    casa com uma boa antena direccional!? assim tem a
                    possibilidade de ir para o interior sem levar &quot;a
                    casa as costas&quot; que é como quem diz, os rádios e as
                    antenas as costas. Perguntem ao colega CT1EWD e ele
                    explica como na aldeia faz HF dentro do carro.<br>
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                                não moro no “Portugal profundo” ou no
                                interior do país,
                                mas, de vez em quando, faço viagens ao
                                interior do país. </p>
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                                  fim-de-semana do Carnaval,
                                  desloquei-me à aldeia ali para os
                                  lados do Distrito de Viseu quase em
                                  Trás-os-montes.</span><br>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:11pt">Sabemos que
                                  existem colegas mais ou menos
                                  fundamentalistas
                                  das formas de fazer Rádio.</span><br>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Isto
                                para falar sobre a “Rádio Digital” seja
                                ela nos modos
                                DSTAR, Fusion ou DMR. Embora quem mora
                                no litoral, onde os Repetidores
                                Analógicos
                                e Digitais se “encavalitam” uns nos
                                outros, no interior do país não é assim.
                                <span></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Neste
                                preciso momento e nem de propósito,
                                estou a escutar um
                                QSO de um colega de Bragança que está a
                                emitir em DSTAR. Este colega, está a
                                “queixar-se”
                                que, desde que se desligou o Repetidor
                                de Nogueira, e desde 2010, que não fala
                                com nenhum Radioamador de Bragança. <span></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Eu
                                gosto do analógico (e creio que todos
                                nós) mas, verdade
                                seja dita, o Digital veio facilitar os
                                QSO entre colegas que estão no interior
                                do país e o resto do mundo (não sendo
                                este o objectivo creio que é mais para
                                QSO em Portugal Continental e Ilhas).<span></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Sim,
                                sabemos que os modos Digitais usam o
                                subterfúgio da
                                Internet para ligar os Repetidores uns
                                aos outros…fantástico digo eu e,
                                principalmente,
                                dirão os colegas do “Portugal profundo”
                                que estão longe dos encavalitados
                                Repetidores do Litoral.<span></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Isso
                                não é Radioamadorismo dirão uns, que mal
                                é que isso tem
                                dirão outros.<span></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Eu,
                                com as experiências que tive só tenho a
                                dizer bem do
                                Digital (com todos os seus
                                inconvenientes dos “<i>pling plongs</i>”
                                e o de às vezes “falar
                                para o boneco”).<span></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Outra
                                &quot;verdade inconveniente&quot; é que os
                                Repetidores analógicos (montes
                                deles...são muitos) &quot;estão às moscas&quot;. </p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Haverá
                                mais QSO em Digital do que em analógico
                                (pela facilidade de estarem <i>linkados</i>)???</p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">O
                                Digital é <u><b>apenas mais uma forma
                                    de fazer Rádio</b></u> dos colegas
                                que estão no
                                interior do país e Ilhas de conversar
                                entre eles. <span></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Conversar,
                                algo que vai faltando no
                                Radioamadorismo. <span></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
                                <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6667px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">O
                                  analógico, andará por cá durante
                                  muitos e bons anos.</span>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Para
                                terminar, resta-me agradecer mais uma
                                vez às Direcções
                                das Associações de Radioamadores que vão
                                mantendo os Repetidores a funcionar pelo
                                país (principalmente os do interior) e
                                aos colegas que vão mantendo as
                                Redes Digitais a funcionar.<span></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Agradecer
                                também aos colegas que disponibilizam os
                                seus <i>Hotspots</i> para melhor
                                cobertura Digital.</p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Só
                                quem se desloca para o interior do país
                                (e principalmente
                                quem lá mora) é que saberá dar valor aos
                                repetidores no geral e ao Digital em
                                particular, este ultimo, que nos
                                possibilita ir na estrada e falar com
                                Faro,
                                Açores e Chaves num QSO mesmo usando a
                                &quot;batota&quot; de </p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">um &quot;<i>Hotspot</i> com
                                rodas&quot; ligado à Internet do Telemóvel
                                (este último também Digital diga-se)<span></span></p>
                              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;line-height:107%;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Pena
                                que na zona da grande Lisboa os
                                repetidores DSTAR estão
                                <i>stand alone...</i>desconheço a razão.<span></span></p>
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                                fim-de-semana. <span></span></p>
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                                                      de José Luís
                                                      Proença, Operador
                                                      do Posto
                                                      Receptor/Emissor
                                                      CT1GZB<br>
                                                      ARVM #53, REP
                                                      #1418, SKCC #8178,
                                                      CT-QRP #058, NRA
                                                      PN#077, ARRLx
                                                      #054, GPCW #007<br>
                                                      <a href="http://ct1gzb.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://ct1gzb.blogspot.com</a><br>
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                                                          <p><font size="2">73&#39;s</font></p>
                                                          <div style="text-align:center"><font size="1">******************************<wbr>*****</font><br>
                                                          <font size="1">CT1JIB
                                                          / <b>Jorge
                                                          Santos</b></font><br>
                                                          <font size="1">QTH-Locator:
                                                          IM58mo</font><br>
                                                          <font size="1">CQ
                                                          Zone:14/ITU
                                                          Zone:37</font><br>
                                                          <font size="1">Watch
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                                                          <font size="1">QSL
                                                          Via: Bureau,
                                                          Eqsl</font><font size="1"> </font><br>
                                                          <font size="1">REP
                                                          Member# 1748</font><br>
                                                          <font size="1">ARLA
                                                          Member# 070</font><br>
                                                          <font size="1">ARLC
                                                          Member# 074</font><br>
                                                          <font size="1">*</font><br>
                                                          <font size="1">Sysop
                                                          of
                                                          BrandMeister
                                                          2681, sMaster
                                                          Portugal,
                                                          DMR_PT-Zone3,
                                                          PT YSF009<br>
                                                          CQ0DSA,
                                                          CQ0DAH,
                                                          CQ0DCH, CQ0DMA<br>
                                                          XRF040 and
                                                          DCS012
                                                          Reflectors</font> 
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                                                          <font size="1">Co-Sysop
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                                                          <font size="1">CQ0DLX,
                                                          CQ0DSM,
                                                          CQ0DTV,
                                                          CQ0DLR, CQ0DAM
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                                                          <font size="1">DMR
                                                          ID (268) 3007</font><br>
                                                          <font size="1">*</font><br>
                                                          <font size="1">DSTAR
                                                          * DMR * Fusion</font><br>
                                                          <font size="1">******************************<wbr>*****</font></div>
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                                                <p><font size="2">73&#39;s</font></p>
                                                <div style="text-align:center"><font size="1">******************************<wbr>*****</font><br>
                                                  <font size="1">CT1JIB
                                                    / <b>Jorge Santos</b></font><br>
                                                  <font size="1">QTH-Locator:
                                                    IM58mo</font><br>
                                                  <font size="1">CQ
                                                    Zone:14/ITU Zone:37</font><br>
                                                  <font size="1">Watch
                                                    data in <a href="https://www.hamqth.com/ct1jib" target="_blank">www.HamQTH.com</a></font><br>
                                                  <font size="1">QSL
                                                    Via: Bureau, Eqsl</font><font size="1"> </font><br>
                                                  <font size="1">REP
                                                    Member# 1748</font><br>
                                                  <font size="1">ARLA
                                                    Member# 070</font><br>
                                                  <font size="1">ARLC
                                                    Member# 074</font><br>
                                                  <font size="1">*</font><br>
                                                  <font size="1">Sysop
                                                    of BrandMeister
                                                    2681, sMaster
                                                    Portugal,
                                                    DMR_PT-Zone3, PT
                                                    YSF009<br>
                                                    CQ0DSA, CQ0DAH,
                                                    CQ0DCH, CQ0DMA<br>
                                                    XRF040 and DCS012
                                                    Reflectors</font>  <br>
                                                  <font size="1">Co-Sysop
                                                    of </font><br>
                                                  <font size="1">CQ0DLX,
                                                    CQ0DSM, CQ0DTV,
                                                    CQ0DLR, CQ0DAM </font><br>
                                                  <font size="1">DMR ID
                                                    (268) 3007</font><br>
                                                  <font size="1">*</font><br>
                                                  <font size="1">DSTAR *
                                                    DMR * Fusion</font><br>
                                                  <font size="1">******************************<wbr>*****</font></div>
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Callsign: CT7ABP
QRA: Pedro Ribeiro
GRID Locator: IM58mr
QTH: São Francisco, Alcochete, Portugal
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CT7ABP is also home station of CR7AJI Diogo
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