<div dir="ltr">&quot; <span style="font-size:12.8px">Essa dos repetidores está bem metida, isso gravado dava uma novela!&quot;</span><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Sim e com vários capítulos. </span><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Por exemplo, o Carlos Mourato (CT4RK) foi um dia confrontado por um colega, que nem sequer é sócio da ARLA e inclusivamente é contra essa coisa de existirem &quot;associações&quot; em Portugal; &quot;Que era uma vergonha terem um repetidor tanto tempo parado, isto porque estava habituado a ter uns QSO´s porreiros com uns vizinhos e à semanas que tal não era possível no repetidor, por este estar parado...uma autentica vergonha. </span>Quando lhe foi perguntado, se poderia ao menos ajudar a subir à torre para substituir a antena avariada, disse logo; &quot; Nem pensar nisso era bom, tinha vertigens e que nem era e nem queria ser sócio da ARLA, pois tinha sabido que a direcção por vezes pedia ajuda aos sócios para &quot;essas coisas&quot;.!</div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Outro, que lhe disseram que só podia operar nos repetidores da Margem Sul onde ele residia, pois se quisesse operar nos outros repetidores nacionais tinha que primeiro fazer-se sócio de cada uma das associações que tivesse o repetidor onde ele queria operar.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Existe por ai com cada &quot;cromo&quot; que nem com SuperCola 3 lá vão.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">João Costa (CT1FBF)</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 23 de maio de 2016 15:59, CS7AGH <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cs7agh@sapo.pt" target="_blank">cs7agh@sapo.pt</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <div>Eu percebi colega Eduardo, acredite que
      eu percebi :)<br>
      Só quis deixar a perspetiva do lado do developer, mais nada.<br>
      Agora uma coisa posso garantir pois neste caso fui testemunha
      indireta, quem contactou a REP e mostrou interesse foi o Bob, não
      o inverso.<br>
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      @Costa,<br>
      Essa dos repetidores está bem metida, isso gravado dava uma
      novela!<br>
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      <pre cols="72">-- 

73,
Paulo
CS7AGH
QRP Respect #295</pre>
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        <div>Caro colega, eu não estou em contra de quem têm o trabalho
          ter frutos do mesmo.</div>
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        <div>Estou sim  contra,  de quem não têm trabalho e simplesmente
          por fazer uma parceria , abana a bananeira e o fruto cai da
          árvore.</div>
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        <div> Tire as dilações  que achar por bem.</div>
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        <div>Assunto encerrado.</div>
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                    <div dir="ltr"><i><b>73 from</b></i><br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">No dia 23 de maio de 2016 às 14:47,
          CS7AGH <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cs7agh@sapo.pt" target="_blank">cs7agh@sapo.pt</a>&gt;</span>
          escreveu:<br>
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              <div>Os 9€, deduzo e não devo estar longe da verdade, não
                são pela informação em si mas pelo trabalho do Bob na
                app<br>
                Isto é:<br>
                - ele tem batalhado para conseguir estas parcerias<br>
                - tem a base de dados disponível via internet ou app<br>
                - criou interligação de bases de dados com Echolink,
                DSTAR, DMR, etc (apenas os repetidores analógicos são
                introduzidos &quot;manualmente&quot;)<br>
                - programou a ligação aos Echolink com um click<br>
                - criou uma base de dados de reporte de interferências<br>
                - etc, etc, etc,<br>
                <br>
                Fazer uma app dá trabalho, acredite, mesmo usando uma
                plataforma como a que usei para a Ham GeoTool dá
                trabalho nem que seja a manter.<br>
                Isto não é só &quot;manda aí os repetidores do teu país&quot;, há
                que gerir a informação e a aplicação colega... Por
                alguma razão a minha ainda nem Espanha tem e já tentei
                por duas vezes agilizar esse processo. Acredite que não
                ganho nada com a app RFinder e até tenho as duas
                instaladas mas, por exemplo, faz sentido a Repeater Book
                ter feito uma parceria com a BlueCat e ou usamos o
                interface desta marca ou usamos o interface desta marca,
                um CAT BT do chinês genérico de 10€ não serve?
                Possivelmente, também devem ganhar por cada BlueCat
                vendido (diria eu) senão porque não incluir o suporte
                para ambos?<br>
                Ainda hoje descobri uma app de SOTA, que nem está no
                market (nem toda a gente está disposta a pagar a licença
                à Google) e que é excelente. Faz o trabalho de 3 ou 4
                numa só e é grátis.<br>
                Se pagava pela compra da app uns 9 ou 10€? Claro,
                facilita imenso e faz o trabalho de 4<br>
                <br>
                <a href="http://www.dl1dlf.de/rucksack_radio_tool_english" target="_blank">http://www.dl1dlf.de/rucksack_radio_tool_english</a><br>
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                Se o RFinder vale o valor pedido mesmo havendo
                alternativas? Para mim, pessoalmente, vale.<br>
                Que outra app tem por exemplo um site com toda a
                informação disponível online, importação direta para o
                Chirp, etc?<br>
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                <pre cols="72">-- 

73,
Paulo
CS7AGH
QRP Respect #295</pre>
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              <blockquote type="cite">Ainda mais...
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                <div>Se não existirem repetidores não existe lista, logo
                  não existe base de dados, logo não existe Rf finder,
                  logo não existe 9 euros....</div>
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                <div>Isto é estar a viver custa de outros, assim é
                  fácil....</div>
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                <div>Utilizem o App Repeater Book, é gratuito.</div>
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                  No dia segunda-feira, 23 de maio de 2016, Carlos
                  Fonseca &lt;<a href="mailto:ct1gfqgrupos@gmail.com" target="_blank">ct1gfqgrupos@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                  escreveu:<br>
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                      <div>Boa tarde.<br>
                        <br>
                        Não sei até que ponto esta (e outras) parceria é
                        viável.<br>
                        Se as associações (algumas) não querem divulgar
                        os dados de localização dos repetidores, como é
                        que o vulgar utilizador de repetidores, vai ter
                        a certeza que o que está no mapa/lista da
                        aplicação é real?</div>
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                                <div>73&#39;s Carlos Fonseca, CT1GFQ<br>
                                  SKCC #466T ( <a href="http://www.skccgroup.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.skccgroup.com" target="_blank">http://www.skccgroup.com</a>
                                  )<br>
                                  REP #1406 ( <a href="http://www.rep.pt" target="_blank">www.rep.pt</a> )</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">2016-05-23 13:05
                        GMT+01:00 CT1DQV . <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a></a><a href="mailto:ct1dqv.arat@gmail.com" target="_blank">ct1dqv.arat@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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                          <p dir="ltr">E as Associaçőes que sāo as
                            proprietárias dos repetidores e detentoras
                            das licenças não ganham nada?</p>
                          <p dir="ltr">Só ganham experiência na
                            manutenção dos mesmos?</p>
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                              <div class="gmail_quote">Em 23/05/2016
                                11:24, &quot;João Costa &amp;gt; CT1FBF&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:ct1fbf@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:ct1fbf@gmail.com" target="_blank">ct1fbf@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                                escreveu:<br type="attribution">
                                <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">&quot;
                                  A REP do Portugal será responsável por
                                  manter atualizados os dados<br>
                                  de repetidores em PT para RFinder – O
                                  Diretório Mundial de<br>
                                  Repetidores.&quot;<br>
                                  <br>
                                  Vamos a ver se é desta....<br>
                                  <br>
                                  João Costa (CT1FBF)<br>
                                  <br>
                                  2016-05-23 10:57 GMT+01:00 CS7AGH &lt;<a href="mailto:cs7agh@sapo.pt" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:cs7agh@sapo.pt" target="_blank">cs7agh@sapo.pt</a>&gt;:<br>
                                  &gt; <a href="https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/rep-rede-dos-emissores-portugueses-partners-with-rfinder-the-world-wide-repeater-directory.524178/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://forums.qrz.com/index.php?threads/rep-rede-dos-emissores-portugueses-partners-with-rfinder-the-world-wide-repeater-directory.524178/</a><br>
                                  &gt;<br>
                                  &gt; The RFinder team is honored to be
                                  REP - Rede dos Emissores Portugueses&#39;<br>
                                  &gt; partner, providing the very
                                  latest repeater information and
                                  directory<br>
                                  &gt; technology for the Radio Amateurs
                                  of Portugal. We look forward to
                                  working<br>
                                  &gt; with REP to make the directory
                                  even better for Portuguese hams and
                                  visitors<br>
                                  &gt; to Portugal. &quot;Our partnership
                                  with REP is exciting...not only our
                                  10th<br>
                                  &gt; Member society, but our
                                  partnership now completes our official
                                  coverage of<br>
                                  &gt; southwestern Europe...,&quot; ays Bob
                                  Greenberg, W2CYK, creator of RFinder -
                                  The<br>
                                  &gt; World Wide Repeater Directory.<br>
                                  &gt;<br>
                                  &gt; Rede dos Emissores Portugueses,
                                  is the IARU representative for
                                  Portugal.<br>
                                  &gt;<br>
                                  &gt; - RFinder is the Official
                                  Repeater Directory of Radio Amateurs
                                  Canada...<br>
                                  &gt; Canadian Amateurs who subscribe
                                  contribute to RAC.<br>
                                  &gt; - RFinder is the Official
                                  Repeater Directory App of Radio
                                  Society of Great<br>
                                  &gt; Britain... UK Amateurs who
                                  subscribe contribute to RSGB.<br>
                                  &gt; - RFinder is the Official
                                  Repeater Directory of Amateur Radio
                                  Society<br>
                                  &gt; Italia… IT Amateurs who subscribe
                                  contribute to ARS Italia.<br>
                                  &gt; - RFinder is the Official
                                  Repeater Directory of Federación
                                  Mexicana de<br>
                                  &gt; Radioexperimentadores… MX
                                  Radioaficionados who subscribe
                                  contribute to FMRE.<br>
                                  &gt; - RFinder is the Official
                                  Repeater Directory of Deutscher
                                  Amateur Radio<br>
                                  &gt; Club...DE Amateurs who subscribe
                                  contribute to DARC DE.<br>
                                  &gt; - RFinder isEl directorio de
                                  repetidor con la base de datos oficial
                                  de Unión<br>
                                  &gt; de Radioaficionados
                                  Españoles...ES Amateurs who subscribe
                                  contribute to URE<br>
                                  &gt; ES.<br>
                                  &gt; - RFinder is the Official
                                  Repeater Directory of L’association
                                  Réseau des<br>
                                  &gt; Émetteurs Français...FR Amateurs
                                  who subscribe contribute to REF FR.<br>
                                  &gt; - RFinder is the Online Repeater
                                  Directory of American Radio Relay<br>
                                  &gt; League...US Amateurs who
                                  subscribe contribute to ARRL US.<br>
                                  &gt; - RFinder is the Official
                                  Repeater Directory of Cayman Amateur
                                  Radio<br>
                                  &gt; Society...KY Amateurs who
                                  subscribe contribute to CARS KY.<br>
                                  &gt; - RFinder is the Official
                                  Repeater Directory of Rede dos
                                  Emissores<br>
                                  &gt; Portugueses...PT Amateurs who
                                  subscribe contribute to REP PT.<br>
                                  &gt;<br>
                                  &gt; --<br>
                                  &gt;<br>
                                  &gt; 73,<br>
                                  &gt; Paulo<br>
                                  &gt; CS7AGH<br>
                                  &gt; QRP Respect #295<br>
                                  &gt;<br>
                                  &gt;<br>
                                  &gt;
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