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Se falarmos da transformação de impedância; é 1:49. Se falarmos da relação de transformação (espiras) ela é de 1:7, onde a tensão no secundário será 7 vezes a do primário e a corrente no secundário será 1/7 da do primário, sendo a transformação de impedância 1:7x7= 1:49.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>O que queremos mesmo é baixar impedância do fio “radiante” para um valor que seja mais aproximado da impedância do nosso rádio/<span class=SpellE>tuner</span> (50 Ohm).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Ou seja, enquanto eu uso um <span class=SpellE>unun</span> 1:9, o Luis usa um <span class=SpellE>unun</span> 1:7. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Ou se quisermos, o Luis usa 1:49 e eu uso 1:81…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Na realidade, a “diferença” deverá ser negligenciável, dado que o fio radiante terá diferentes comportamentos em função da altura, do solo, dos <span class=SpellE>objectos</span> circundantes, do comprimento, <span class=SpellE>etc</span>, sendo a adaptação negociada pelo <span class=SpellE>tuner</span>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Do ponto de vista do radioamadorismo, bastem que funcionem ambos…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Já agora, a construção do <span class=SpellE>unun</span> do Luis está 5***** !<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Peço novamente desculpa por este texto mas poderia parecer que nos estávamos a coisa similares mas de forma diferente.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Junto agora deixo duas foto que não juntei antes porque não sabia (distração minha, assumo!) que se podiam partilhar fotos por aqui. Uma no “final” do fio (quando não suporte….) e outra da antena junto à cana de pesca.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><br>E agora é que é…<span class=SpellE>Under</span> <span class=SpellE>my</span> rock!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>73</span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-no-proof:yes'>Pedro CT1DBS/CU3HF<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> cluster-bounces@radio-amador.net [mailto:cluster-bounces@radio-amador.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Luis Valadas<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 04, 2015 12:24 PM<br><b>To:</b> Resumo Noticioso ARLA/CLUSTER <cluster@radio-amador.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: ARLA/CLUSTER: Antena cana de pesca para actividades no exterior<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>Bom dia a todos</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>Tenho acompanhado este post com atençao , acho que é a altura de intervir, mas claro depois da explicação tao detalhado e por considerada perfeita do colega CT1DBS Pedro, revela o espirito que se procura ao tentarmos operar em qrp e nas condiçoes adeversas muitas das vezes num monte qualquer.</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>No meu caso uso tambem uma end fed , mas com o balun de 1:49, e 20m mais ou menos de fio que é igual ao do Pedro, a cana de pesca é uma de 7 metros de fibra e telescopica soa que mais pequena, quanto a questao de se poder fechar , levo sempre comigo um bocado daquela fita de pano aderente cinza e depois de esticada a cana coloco a revestir as unioes.</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>O porque de usar esta cana deve-se ao facto de ser muito pequena, fiz um pequeno furo a cerca de 80cm do final da cana e o fio muitas das vezes passa por ai para dentro da cana e sai no fim esticando como estivesse a pescar, a vantagem desta montagem tem haver mais com o espaço pois a cana fica proximo de mim e o balun e amarrado junto a esse orificio.</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>Como cabo coaxial tambem uso o mesmo que o pedro so quecom o comprimento de 5m</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>No enrolar do fio irradiante embora tenha os suportes para papagaios indicados pelo Pedro preferi utilizar umas canelas que se usa na pesca directa </span></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>do tipo </span></strong><a href="http://www.decathlon.pt/prancheta-rl-winders-comp-x6-id_8322107.html"><b><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>http://www.decathlon.pt/prancheta-rl-winders-comp-x6-id_8322107.html</span></b></a><strong><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'> no entanto devemos procurar quer o comprimento ou a largura que desejamos para a nossa mochila</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>E pronto foi este o meu contributo se algo for mais necessário estarei sempre pronto para ajudar</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>Ja agora junto uma foto do meu balun</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>73</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>Luis Valadas</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:blue'>CT1DTE</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>No dia 4 de novembro de 2015 às 12:05, Luís Garcia Filipe <<a href="mailto:afterhours36@gmail.com" target="_blank">afterhours36@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Não necessariamente.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Já tive 4:1 e mediante o facto da minha skywire quad de 174 metros não estar estar toda alinhada em altura, tinha algumas diferenças nas bandas em que trabalha sem tunner para o 6:1.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Tudo depende da tua linha de transmissão, alinhamento do elemento radiante, altura, e se está perto de metal ou não (ou algo que refrata), entre outras condicionantes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Actualmente com o balun de 6:1, o tunner pouco trabalha, e sem ele algumas bandas ficam no pior dos cenários swr de 3:1<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>73<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>CT7AEL<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>No dia 4 de novembro de 2015 às 11:52, Rui Oliveira <<a href="mailto:ruimail24@gmail.com" target="_blank">ruimail24@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p>Já agora, se pensar fazer uma, o balun para loops delta deve ser 4:1.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Rui Oliveira <br>CR7ALW <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Em 04/11/2015 11:44, "Luís Garcia Filipe" <<a href="mailto:afterhours36@gmail.com" target="_blank">afterhours36@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Bem-haja pela dica Rui<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>73<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>CT7AEL<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>No dia 4 de novembro de 2015 às 11:39, Rui Oliveira <<a href="mailto:ruimail24@gmail.com" target="_blank">ruimail24@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p>Bom dia colegas <br>Permitam-me mandar a minha posta sobre este assunto. <br>Andei há tempos à procura de antenas de HF portáteis e encontrei esta:<br><a href="https://www.prowhipantennas.co.uk/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=productdetails&virtuemart_product_id=25&virtuemart_category_id=7" target="_blank">https://www.prowhipantennas.co.uk/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=productdetails&virtuemart_product_id=25&virtuemart_category_id=7</a><br>Dos 80 aos 6m com tuner e guarda-se num tubo com 1.5m. <br>Aposto que nem será difícil fazer uma versão caseira com duas canas de pesca. <o:p></o:p></p><p>Rui Oliveira <br>CR7ALW <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Em 04/11/2015 11:33, "Luís Garcia Filipe" <<a href="mailto:afterhours36@gmail.com" target="_blank">afterhours36@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>heheh bem-haja.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Já esqueci os 160 e os 80, bem como os 17 e os 6m e os 30m.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>O aterramento simples é para prevenir RFI no coaxial.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Talvez um radial para os 80m possa ajudar as outras bandas também.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>A ideia é mesmo despachar e...gozar !<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Não procuro muita eficiência, em casa a coisa está bem composta, no terreno o tempo para mim é sagrado.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Estou desesperado para explicar que a onda curta é a magia aqui a dois CR7, mas eles só pensam no pmr !!!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Abraço da beira-baixa<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>73<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>CT7AEL<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>No dia 4 de novembro de 2015 às 11:07, João Costa > CT1FBF <<a href="mailto:ct1fbf@gmail.com" target="_blank">ct1fbf@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid #CCCCCC .75pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Estão Bom Dia Luís Garcia.<br><br>"> 1- com Balun 9:1, e com fio de 11 metros enrolado mais ou menos em espiral<br>> numa cana de pesca não condutora, consigo fazer dos 160m até aos 6m com a<br>> ajuda de tunner?"<br><br>O problema não é afinar a SWR com o Antenna Tunner, pois com um<br>excelente até com uma chave de fendas na saída afinas, muito embora<br>nas bandas de 160,80 e 40m seja mesmo muito difícil afinar uma chave<br>de fundas como antena, hihihi.<br><br>O PROBLEMA É O RENDIMENTO homem, que é abaixo de miserável em 160 e<br>80m com 11m de fio electrico enrolado na cana. Qual é o interesse de<br>ter 1:1 de estacionárias quando o rendimento é inferior a 1%,? Ou<br>seja, e para simplificar de 100W saídos efectivamente SÓ emites 1W e<br>mesmo assim até é capaz de ser muito em 160m . Esquece os 160 e 80m,<br>pelo menos para este tipo de antena.<br><br>"2- No vosso caso pratico, o tunner " trabalha muito " ? E sem tunner?"<br><br>Bem a antena é curta (capacitiva) ou longa (Indutiva) consoante a<br>banda onde queiras operar e conclusão estás sempre a usar o antena<br>tuner para afinar. Com um pouco de sorte até consegues que a antena<br>esteja "boa" numa das bandas de amador e neste caso, grande<br>felicidade, nem necessitas do Tunner, atenção que eu disse UMA DAS<br>BANDAS ou melhor ainda, NUMA ÚNICA FREQUÊNCIA.<br><br>"3- Não vou colocar radiais mas poderei aterrar eventualmente a PL do balun"<br><br>Não percebi e que queres dizer com "..aterrar eventualmente a PL do<br>balun" A ideia é, quantos mais radiais tiveres melhor é o rendimento<br>da antena e menores serão as perdas. Mas como aqui e como noutras<br>coisas da radio a progressão é LOGARÍTMICA e não linear, não é por<br>teres o dobro dos radias que vais ter o dobro do rendimento anterior.<br><br>E pronto já tens o meu "feedback" para começar.<br><br><br>João Costa (CT1FBF)<br><br>Em 4 de novembro de 2015 09:57, Luís Garcia Filipe<br><<a href="mailto:afterhours36@gmail.com" target="_blank">afterhours36@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>> Bom dia.<br>><br>> Procuro saber pelos colegas com antenas cana de pesca para actividades qrp,<br>> algumas informações:<br>><br>> 1- com Balun 9:1, e com fio de 11 metros enrolado mais ou menos em espiral<br>> numa cana de pesca não condutora, consigo fazer dos 160m até aos 6m com a<br>> ajuda de tunner?<br>><br>> 2- No vosso caso pratico, o tunner " trabalha muito " ? E sem tunner?<br>><br>> 3- Não vou colocar radiais mas poderei aterrar eventualmente a PL do balun<br>><br>><br>> Aguardo o vosso precioso feedback e bem-haja<br>><br>><br>> 73<br>><br>><br>> CT7AEL<br><span style='color:#888888'>><br>> --<br>> Cumprimentos;<br>><br>> Luís Filipe Garcia S.<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> CLUSTER mailing list<br>> </span><a href="mailto:CLUSTER@radio-amador.net" target="_blank">CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</a><span style='color:#888888'><br>> </span><a href="http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster" target="_blank">http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster</a><span style='color:#888888'><br>><br><br></span><br>_______________________________________________<br>CLUSTER mailing list<br><a href="mailto:CLUSTER@radio-amador.net" target="_blank">CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</a><br><a href="http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster" target="_blank">http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all style='mso-special-character:line-break'><span style='color:#888888'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>Cumprimentos;<br><br>Luís Filipe Garcia S.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:#888888'><br></span><span lang=EN-US style='color:#888888;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>_______________________________________________<br>CLUSTER mailing list<br></span><a href="mailto:CLUSTER@radio-amador.net" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</span></a><span lang=EN-US 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style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><br><br clear=all style='mso-special-character:line-break'><span style='color:#888888'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='color:#888888;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>Cumprimentos;<br><br>Luís Filipe Garcia S.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:#888888'><br></span><span lang=EN-US style='color:#888888;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>_______________________________________________<br>CLUSTER mailing list<br></span><a href="mailto:CLUSTER@radio-amador.net" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</span></a><span 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style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><br><br clear=all style='mso-special-character:line-break'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cumprimentos;<br><br>Luís Filipe Garcia S.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>_______________________________________________<br>CLUSTER mailing list<br></span><a href="mailto:CLUSTER@radio-amador.net"><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><br></span><a href="http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster</span></a><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-ansi-language:EN-US'><br><br clear=all><br></span>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Luis Valadas<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>CT1DTE<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-no-proof:yes'><img border=0 width=32 height=32 id="_x0000_i1027" src="http://img.xooimage.com/files56/9/5/7/sota-specialists-3e6eb97.gif" alt="http://img.xooimage.com/files56/9/5/7/sota-specialists-3e6eb97.gif"></span><span style='mso-no-proof:yes'><img border=0 width=32 height=32 id="_x0000_i1026" src="http://img.xooimage.com/files56/9/5/7/sota-specialists-3e6eb97.gif" alt="http://img.xooimage.com/files56/9/5/7/sota-specialists-3e6eb97.gif"></span><span style='mso-no-proof:yes'><img border=0 width=32 height=32 id="_x0000_i1025" src="http://img.xooimage.com/files56/9/5/7/sota-specialists-3e6eb97.gif" alt="http://img.xooimage.com/files56/9/5/7/sota-specialists-3e6eb97.gif"></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>