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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Boas caro Pedro<br>
Sim, a coisa era mesmo por alto e como se tivesse 8 anos, senão
dava pano para mangas e estavam a pregar para as paredes como o
outro para os peixes :)<br>
Para enquadrar e como falado com alguns em privado, a ideia seria
ter um backup do backup para alimentar um rádio que tem de pico de
transmissão 2A.<br>
Curioso.... 1.2Ah? Que autonomia real dá essa bateria, tendo em
conta que o KX-1 consome uns 500mA em transmissão se não estou em
erro?<br>
<br>
Obrigado a todos pelos comentários.<br>
<br>
73,<br>
Paulo<br>
CS7AGH<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Boa
tarde Carlos<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">O
colega pediu uma explicação simples…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Se
quisermos podemos entrar em múltiplas considerações. Podemos
até chegar a analisar curvas de descarga, perceber os
declives das descargas em cada ponto para perceber o que
acontece debaixo de cada regime de carga e em cada regime de
descarga, bateria a bateria, os “<span class="SpellE">ses</span>”,
os “quês” e os “porquês” mas isso seria tudo menos simples.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Tudo
o que vem a ser dito está <span class="SpellE">correcto</span>
mas se entrarmos em grandes detalhes perdemos o foco do que
foi solicitado. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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a minha sucinta explicação…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Para
o SOTA uso uma bateria SLAB 12V/1,2 Ah (normalmente para o <span
class="SpellE">Elecraft</span> KX-1) ou uma <span
class="SpellE">LiPO</span> 11,1/6Ah 3S (<span
class="SpellE">Elecraft</span> KX-3 ou KX-1).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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volto já para debaixo da minha pedra, como dizem os anglo
saxónicos!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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New Roman";mso-no-proof:yes">Vy 73,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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New Roman";mso-no-proof:yes"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman";mso-no-proof:yes">Pedro CT1DBS/CU3HF<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:"Times
New Roman""> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cluster-bounces@radio-amador.net">cluster-bounces@radio-amador.net</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:cluster-bounces@radio-amador.net">mailto:cluster-bounces@radio-amador.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Carlos
Mourato<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 02, 2015 1:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> ct-comunicacoes-e-tecnologias
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ct-comunicacoes-e-tecnologias@googlegroups.com"><ct-comunicacoes-e-tecnologias@googlegroups.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Resumo Noticioso ARLA/CLUSTER
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cluster@radio-amador.net"><cluster@radio-amador.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CT-Com. & Tec.] Re: ARLA/CLUSTER:
Explicação sobre baterias<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Pedro<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As baterias do automóveis, chamadas
"baterias de arranque, têm alguma diferença na construção
interna, a nivel da espessura dos elementos, por causa das
deformações nos débitos de corrente muito elevados. Uma
bateria de arranque normal de 60 Amp/h , num arranque de
uma motor normal de automóvel, pode ultrapassar os 200
Amp!!!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Cumprimentos: Carlos
Mourato - Sines - Portugal</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Best regards from: Carlos
Mourato - Sines - Portugal</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Visite o meu canal Youtube
em:</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.youtube.com/user/CT4RK?feature=guide"
target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/user/CT4RK?feature=guide</a> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Visit my youtube
channel at:</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="http://www.youtube.com/user/CT4RK?feature=guide" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/user/CT4RK?feature=guide</a> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Aos meus e-mails não se
aplica o acordo ortográfico. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">No dia 2 de novembro de 2015 às 11:50,
pedro_gmail <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pedro.fc.carvalho@gmail.com"
target="_blank">pedro.fc.carvalho@gmail.com</a>>
escreveu:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Bom
dia novamente </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Serem
iguais para si ou não, é quase uma questão de fé
se ler apenas os rótulos e eles forem como esses
(algo em “título” e depois uma letrinhas mais
pequenas abaixo)…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Só
lendo muito bem as especificações poderemos chegar
a conclusões. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Contudo,
dado que a capacidade das baterias de chumbo varia
com vários factores, mesmo baterias com a mesma
capacidade podem sofrer “desvios” entre o
anunciado ou impresso e aquilo que verdadeiramente
fornecem. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Por
norma, ninguém se importa muito com isso porque
variações de 10% de capacidade podem ser atenuadas
ou acentuadas em função dos regimes e ciclos de
carga e descarga e do tipo de solicitações que lhe
são impostas.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Um
motor de arranque de um automóvel pode solicitar
algumas dezenas de ampere num curto espaço de
tempo, mas durante a maior parte do tempo tal não
acontece.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Se
o veículo estiver constantemente a dar arranque
(por fazer muitos circuitos citadinos, por
exemplo) é provável que a diferença entre uma
bateria de 58 Ah e uma de 62 Ah não seja
apercebida, nomeadamente em termos da duração da
dita cuja.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Vy
73</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Pedro,
CT1DBS/CU3HF</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ct-comunicacoes-e-tecnologias@googlegroups.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ct-comunicacoes-e-tecnologias@googlegroups.com">ct-comunicacoes-e-tecnologias@googlegroups.com</a></a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">ct-comunicacoes-e-tecnologias@googlegroups.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>CS7AGH<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 02, 2015 11:35
AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Resumo Noticioso ARLA/CLUSTER <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cluster@radio-amador.net"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cluster@radio-amador.net">cluster@radio-amador.net</a></a>>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> [CT-Com. & Tec.] Re:
ARLA/CLUSTER: Explicação sobre baterias</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Mas
Pedro, repara que a primeira apesar de dizer
8Ah, lá em baixo diz 12V7Ah-C20.<br>
Cá para mim são iguais.... <br>
<br>
73,<br>
Paulo<br>
CS7AGH<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>Bom dia<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Dado que utilizam a mesma tecnologia SLAB (Selad Lead Acid Battery, Bateria de chumbo selada) e apresentam a mesam tensão nominal (12 Volt) não há qualquer diferença, além da diferente capacidade que é medida em Ampere-hora (Ah).<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Num caso tem 7,2 Ah e no outro 8Ah. Quer isto dizer, para ser sucinto, que num caso a bateria poderia fornecer 7,2 Ampere durante uma hora e no outro 8 ampere durante uma hora, ou seja um diferença de aproximadamente 10 % de capacidade.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Vy 73,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Pedro CT1DBS/CU3HF<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre style="mso-outline-level:1">From: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cluster-bounces@radio-amador.net" target="_blank">cluster-bounces@radio-amador.net</a> [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cluster-bounces@radio-amador.net" target="_blank">mailto:cluster-bounces@radio-amador.net</a>] On Behalf Of CS7AGH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 10:55 AM<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cluster@radio-amador.net" target="_blank">cluster@radio-amador.net</a>; <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ct-comunicacoes-e-tecnologias@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">ct-comunicacoes-e-tecnologias@googlegroups.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Subject: ARLA/CLUSTER: Explicação sobre baterias<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Bom dia.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Alguém me explica, como se tivesse 8 anos como se costuma dizer, as diferenças ou vantagens/desvantagens entre, por exemplo:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.leroymerlin.pt/Site/Produtos/Eletricidade/Energias-renovaveis/15276163.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.leroymerlin.pt/Site/Produtos/Eletricidade/Energias-renovaveis/15276163.aspx</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.lxbattery.pt/pt/mais-vendidos-home/bat-zenith-zgl120026-12v-7-2ah.html" target="_blank">http://www.lxbattery.pt/pt/mais-vendidos-home/bat-zenith-zgl120026-12v-7-2ah.html</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Obrigado<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>73,<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Paulo<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>CS7AGH<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
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