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    Eu pessoalmente não me importava de ajudar no que posso. Para mim
    torna-se um bocado mais difícil, porque sendo estudante e
    financeiramente dependente, não tenho assim grande facilidade em
    deslocar-me ou gastar dinheiro nessas coisas. Não obstante, em tudo
    o que resto que puder ajudar, ajudo certamente, com boa vontade e
    com vontade de aprender. E convenhamos, quando os atuais
    responsáveis pelos repetidores se retirarem, vai ser preciso alguém
    tomar conta. <br>
    <br>
    Posto isto, aqui a gente parece-me ser mais do sul, mas se alguém de
    precisar de ajuda ali pela zona do porto, esteja à vontade.<br>
    <br>
    73<br>
    CR7ALW<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/02/2015 15:15, CR7ALB Rui Silva
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          colega Carlos Mourato,<br>
          <br>
          Não falando somente de mim, ha quem realmente queira aprender
          esta "ciência". Mas ha induvitavelmente, quem não queira
          ensinar.<br>
          <br>
          Mas, verdade seja dita, ainda ha quem nos va ensinando
          conforme as nossas disponibilidades (Nós, CR7's).<br>
          <br>
          Se não passarem o testemunho, talvez não morra totalmente, o
          que demorará é, a recuperar tudo isso.<br>
          <br>
          Julgo não estar a falar de cor. Mas não falta quem queira
          aprender.<br>
          <br>
          Cabe agora a cada um, fazer o seu juízo destas palavras.<br>
          <br>
          Sem outro assunto de momento<br>
          73<br>
          CR7ALB<br>
          Rui Silva<br>
          93 634 52 33<br>
          <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.anv.pt">www.anv.pt</a> </div>
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        <span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;
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        </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size:
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            href="mailto:radiofarol@gmail.com">Carlos Mourato</a></span><br>
        <span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;
          font-weight: bold;">Enviado:
        </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size:
          11pt;">‎12/‎02/‎2015 12:29</span><br>
        <span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;
          font-weight: bold;">Para:
        </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size:
          11pt;"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:ct1fbf@gmail.com">João Costa &gt; CT1FBF</a></span><br>
        <span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;
          font-weight: bold;">Cc:
        </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size:
          11pt;"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:cluster@radio-amador.net">Resumo Noticioso
            ARLA/CLUSTER</a></span><br>
        <span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;
          font-weight: bold;">Assunto:
        </span><span style="font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; font-size:
          11pt;">Re: ARLA/CLUSTER: Vem ai mais .....</span><br>
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        <div dir="ltr">Quando eu apresentei esse plano, fruto de muito
          esforço, tempo e dinheiro meu gasto, fui acusado de querer
          acabar com o radioamadorismo e foram dezenas as desculpas por
          parte de algumas associações, para justificar uma ignorância
          sobre os repetidores, e quererem manter a "brasa debaixo da
          sua sardinha", opondo-se frontalmente à mudança de frequências
          e outros detalhe técnicos. O resultado foi que a ANACOM impôs
          um plano sem pés nem cabeça, baseado em tons que demonstraram
          que não sabiam bem como funcionavam, obrigou praticamente
          todas as associações a mudar freuqências (ao contrario do meu
          plano que apenas previa alguns ajustes) e toda a gente achou
          bem. Hoje os repetidores estão aí, uns a trabalhar outros nem
          tanto, mas paciencia! É o que temos e uma coisa é certa! Cada
          vez são menos aqueles que se dedicam à sua montagem e
          manutenção, e cada vez são mais aqueles que fazem exigencias.
          <div>O tempo fará a sua limpeza, à medida que vão ficando fora
            de serviço, e ninguem os vai reparar. Infelizmente menos de
            1% dos radioamadores dedicam algum do seu tempo, dinheiro e
            conhecimentos para a manutenção dos referidos
            repetidores...Mas estão a ficar cansados!!!</div>
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          <div>73 C. Mourato</div>
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                <div><b>Cumprimentos:  Carlos Mourato - Sines - Portugal</b></div>
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                <b>Best regards from:  Carlos Mourato - Sines - Portugal</b>
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                <div><b>Visite o meu canal Youtube em:</b></div>
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                    href="http://www.youtube.com/user/CT4RK?feature=guide"
                    target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/user/CT4RK?feature=guide</a> <b><br>
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                    </b>
                    <div><b>Visit my youtube channel at:</b></div>
                    <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://www.youtube.com/user/CT4RK?feature=guide"
                        target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/user/CT4RK?feature=guide</a> <b><br>
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          <div class="x_gmail_quote">No dia 12 de fevereiro de 2015 às
            12:11, João Costa &gt; CT1FBF
            <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:ct1fbf@gmail.com" target="_blank">ct1fbf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
            escreveu:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Por vezes mais vale ter poucos e bons, do
                que ter muitos a funcionar deficientemente. Muito embora
                a situação já foi bem pior.
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                <div>Saliento que estas imagens são o resultado dos
                  planos da ANACOM e não de alguns radioamadores e a
                  associações que apresentaram um plano completamente
                  diferente deste. assente relembro, em três níveis
                  logicos, repetidores nacionais, regionais e locais.</div>
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                <div>Os planos apresentados por alguns radioamadores dos
                  quais saliento o incansável Carlos Mourato (CT4RK) com
                  tanto esforço e tempo despendido na sua elaboração,
                  incluindo com visitas a espessas próprias ao locais,
                  foi mandado para o lixo, tendo-se implementado um
                  plano decalcado do sistema TETRA.</div>
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                <div>Hoje, teremos aproximadamente 100 repetidores, que
                  expecto alguns, são mais locais, que nacionais ou
                  mesmo quiça regionais.</div>
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                <div>Muito raramente a quantidade é sinonimo de
                  qualidade.</div>
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                <div>João Costa (CT1FBF)</div>
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                <div class="x_gmail_quote">Em 12 de fevereiro de 2015
                  11:47, CS7AGH <span dir="ltr">
                    &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:cs7agh@sapo.pt" target="_blank">cs7agh@sapo.pt</a>&gt;</span>
                  escreveu:<br>
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                      <div>Já comentei aqui no cluster e volto a
                        repetir, nesse aspeto realmente, para o bom e
                        para o mau, a margem sul e lx são uns
                        privilegiados.<br>
                        Com um simples dual band portátil temos dezenas
                        de repetidores à mão de semear <br>
                        <br>
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                        <br>
                        Varatojo, Montejunto, Aldeia Chãos e Montemor já
                        depende muito da localização. Mas pelo menos
                        Montejunto ouve-se perfeitamente em quase todo o
                        distrito, não se ativa é tão facilmente. Nestes
                        inclui-se obviamente quase tudo, 70cm, 2m,
                        d-star, echolink e num futuro próximo fusion.<br>
                        Como um colega referiu num dos posts anteriores,
                        curioso é estarem (quase) todos às moscas, com
                        exceção para o Echolink da Amoreira, sem dúvida
                        o repetidor com mais atividade da zona mas eu
                        sou apologista, como o Pedro, de quanto mais
                        melhor, desde que se possa e tenham vontade para
                        tal.<br>
                        Em Loriga por exemplo, não se ouve Estrela
                        tirando com o vento de feição mas ouve-se e
                        fala-se via Lousã!<br>
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                          alt=""><br>
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                        Se Santa Comba Dão tivesse um repetidor ou o
                        próprio Piodão, Loriga e arredores já teria
                        cobertura de dois repetidores.<br>
                        Neste momento se cair Lousã, Cabeça (nos sítios
                        onde não chega à Estrela) e Loriga ficam
                        isoladas de comunicações. Em Lisboa, podem cair
                        5 ou 6, existe sempre mais um :)<br>
                        <br>
                        Só um aparte em relação à resposta do colega Rui<br>
                        <br>
                        <i>Enquanto sou classe 3 ter repetidores na
                          minha zona ou não é igual ao litro.</i><br>
                        <br>
                        No meu caso concreto, diria que 85% ou mais da
                        escuta que fiz durante o tempo de CR7 foi nos
                        repetidores da zona. Porquê? Porque raramente
                        apanhava alguém nos canais simplex, tirando uma
                        ou outra rodinha noturna entre meia dúzia de
                        OMs. Ora, se estou limitado a escuta e não tenho
                        o que escutar, o que faço? Os repetidores
                        resolvem isso, mais que não seja, valha pelo que
                        valha, o Echolink. Sim, porque como CR7 não se
                        pode utilizar o software para
                        telemóvel/computador mas pode sintonizar a
                        frequência de um qualquer repetidor ligado à
                        rede no seu rádio.<br>
                        <br>
                        73,<br>
                        Paulo<br>
                        CS7AGH<br>
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                                      <div>73's Carlos Fonseca, CT1GFQ<br>
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                            <div class="x_gmail_quote">Em 12 de
                              fevereiro de 2015 10:10, CS7AGH <span
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                                &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                  target="_blank">cs7agh@sapo.pt</a>&gt;</span>
                              escreveu:<br>
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                                  <div>Monsanto e Pragal?<br>
                                    <br>
                                    73,<br>
                                    Paulo<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                        CS7AGH<br>
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                                            <div>Não precisa de ir tão
                                              longe.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Lisboa tens 2’s
                                              repetidores que se vêm um
                                              ao outro.<br>
                                              Sim é verdade: De
                                              binóculos, consegue-se ver
                                              as antenas......<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Ambos passam o dia a dar o
                                              ID.......<br>
                                              <br>
                                              As vezes ainda chamo o ppl
                                              da zona, mas respostas =
                                              0   .....</div>
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                                              Carlos CT1GFQ<br>
                                              SKCC#466T <a
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                                                  <div><b>From:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="ruimail24@gmail.com"
                                                      href="mailto:ruimail24@gmail.com"
                                                      target="_blank">
                                                      Rui Oliveira</a> </div>
                                                  <div><b>Sent:</b>
                                                    Monday, February 09,
                                                    2015 5:13 PM</div>
                                                  <div><b>To:</b> <a
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title="cluster@radio-amador.net" href="mailto:cluster@radio-amador.net"
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                                                      Resumo Noticioso
                                                      ARLA/CLUSTER</a> </div>
                                                  <div><b>Subject:</b>
                                                    Re: ARLA/CLUSTER:
                                                    Vem ai mais .....</div>
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                                              Enquanto sou classe 3 ter
                                              repetidores na minha zona
                                              ou não é igual ao litro.<br>
                                              Mas admira-me certas
                                              coisas que devem estar
                                              mesmo mal. Como é que os
                                              repetidor do Marão e da
                                              Estrela (que eu ouço em
                                              VHF) estão sempre vazios?
                                              Só os ouço a dar o ID...
                                              Dois repetidores tão
                                              principais... Não percebo.<br>
                                              Agora se tivesse dinheiro
                                              ou disponibilidade para
                                              ajudar ajudava... Sei onde
                                              devia haver uns
                                              repetidores aqui no norte
                                              nalgumas serras. E onde
                                              nalguns sítios tem a
                                              mais... Mas não há
                                              coordenação nenhuma nestas
                                              coisas, é uma pena...<br>
                                              <br>
                                              <div>On 09/02/2015 17:07,
                                                Pedro Ribeiro wrote:<br>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote type="cite">Boa
                                                tarde,<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Na zona
                                                Alentejo/interior, a
                                                ARLA teve no Mendro um
                                                repetidor que "herdou"
                                                (creio) da ARPA, no
                                                entanto numa fase em que
                                                se estava a organizar a
                                                manutenção e optimização
                                                do mesmo (filtros e
                                                antenas), o local deixou
                                                de estar disponivel pelo
                                                desmantelamento da torre
                                                pelo dono.<br>
                                                O colega que estava na
                                                zona e que diligenciava
                                                as coisas no local creio
                                                que tem estado fora do
                                                país e mais ninguém
                                                assumiu a tarefa.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                A partir daí, que saiba,
                                                não foi manifestado por
                                                nenhum associado quer o
                                                interesse em ter
                                                cobertura de repetidor
                                                nessa zona, quer a
                                                disponibilidade para
                                                interceder junto de
                                                entidades locais para se
                                                arranjarem os recursos
                                                locais para viabilizar a
                                                instalação.<br>
                                                Lembro de ter ouvido
                                                falar qualquer coisa
                                                sobre Serpa, mas parece
                                                ter esmorecido.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Imagino que noutros
                                                locais do país a
                                                situação seja similar.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                A abordagem não pode ser<br>
                                                "porque é que a
                                                associação A não coloca
                                                um repetidor na zona X"<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Para que as coisas
                                                avancem terá de ser:<br>
                                                "gostava de ter
                                                cobertura de repetidor
                                                na zona X, há lá vários
                                                radio-amadores
                                                interessados, dispostos
                                                a contribuir com a sua
                                                quota, suor ou recursos
                                                (local de instalação ou
                                                diligências para tal),
                                                podem-nos ajudar?"<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Um colega de Elvas fez
                                                essa abordagem e em
                                                consequência há o
                                                HOTSPOT de DSTAR CS5GUM
                                                na zona ...<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Posso dizer que pelo
                                                menos repetidores e
                                                cablagem existe em stock
                                                da parte da ARLA, haja o
                                                resto.<br>
                                                <br>
                                                Nota: Não estou a falar
                                                em nome da associação.<br>
                                                73!<br>
                                                <br>
                                                <div>On 09-02-2015
                                                  15:22, Rui Oliveira
                                                  wrote:<br>
                                                </div>
                                                <blockquote type="cite">Assim
                                                  por alto em bruto as
                                                  zonas onde não deve
                                                  haver cobertura de um
                                                  repetidor:<br>
                                                  <a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://gyazo.com/28dfff4afdeeee41c5c328913abe6f75" target="_blank">http://gyazo.com/28dfff4afdeeee41c5c328913abe6f75</a><br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Concordo com a ideia
                                                  de partilhar
                                                  repetidores, aliada à
                                                  ideia de uma
                                                  concertação nacional.
                                                  É minha opinião que
                                                  <br>
                                                  e uma vergonha as
                                                  associações darem-se
                                                  mal como dão. Tantas
                                                  associações para 6mil
                                                  amadores e ainda
                                                  dão-se mal? É uma
                                                  vergonha,
                                                  sinceramente. Mas isso
                                                  fica para outra
                                                  discussão.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  73<br>
                                                  CR7ALW<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <div>On 09/02/2015
                                                    13:58, CR7ALB Rui
                                                    Silva wrote:<br>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <blockquote
                                                    type="cite">
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div
                                                        style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;
                                                        font-size:11pt">Eu
                                                        iria
                                                        ligeiramente
                                                        mais longe.<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Suponhamos que
                                                        existe a
                                                        necessidade de
                                                        um repetidor
                                                        numa zona vazia.<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Porque não haver
                                                        um ou mais
                                                        repetidores com
                                                        custos
                                                        partilhados?<br>
                                                        Duas ou três
                                                        Associações a
                                                        partilharem
                                                        custos, ficara
                                                        muito mais
                                                        barato. <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Bem sei que a
                                                        lei so permite
                                                        uma Associaçao
                                                        ficar
                                                        "Registada" como
                                                        "dona" do
                                                        repetidor. Mas
                                                        deixar isso em
                                                        acordo escrito e
                                                        assinado pelas
                                                        partes.<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Mas atenção, não
                                                        é só olhar para
                                                        as Associaçoes.
                                                        Os utilizadores
                                                        deviam em
                                                        contrapartida ,
                                                        associarem-se de
                                                        modo a ajudar
                                                        com as quotas.<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Ou ainda em modo
                                                        voluntário, quem
                                                        sabe, ceder
                                                        material ou
                                                        espaço para a
                                                        instalação do
                                                        hipotetico
                                                        repetidor.<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Tudo e possível.
                                                        Basta querer e
                                                        ter vontade.<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        A sensação que
                                                        me fica, é que
                                                        quando se pensa
                                                        numa coisa
                                                        destas, o NÃO
                                                        esta tão
                                                        interiozado,
                                                        quem nem se
                                                        chega a tentar.
                                                        Isto sou eu a
                                                        pensar.<br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        Sem outro
                                                        assunto de
                                                        momento<br>
                                                        73<br>
                                                        CR7ALB<br>
                                                        Rui Silva<br>
                                                        <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:93%20634%2052%2033" value="+351936345233" target="_blank">93
                                                          634 52 33</a><br>
                                                        <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.anv.pt" target="_blank">www.anv.pt</a> </div>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div dir="ltr">
                                                      <hr>
                                                      <span
                                                        style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;
                                                        font-size:11pt;
font-weight:bold">De:
                                                      </span><span
                                                        style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;
                                                        font-size:11pt"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ct1gfqgrupos@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">Carlos
                                                          Fonseca</a></span><br>
                                                      <span
                                                        style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;
                                                        font-size:11pt;
font-weight:bold">Enviado:
                                                      </span><span
                                                        style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;
                                                        font-size:11pt">‎09/‎02/‎2015
                                                        13:40</span><br>
                                                      <span
                                                        style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;
                                                        font-size:11pt;
font-weight:bold">Para:
                                                      </span><span
                                                        style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;
                                                        font-size:11pt"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cluster@radio-amador.net"
                                                          target="_blank">Resumo
                                                          Noticioso
                                                          ARLA/CLUSTER</a></span><br>
                                                      <span
                                                        style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;
                                                        font-size:11pt;
font-weight:bold">Assunto:
                                                      </span><span
                                                        style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;
                                                        font-size:11pt">Re:
                                                        ARLA/CLUSTER:
                                                        Vem ai mais
                                                        .....</span><br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div dir="ltr">
                                                        <div>... mesmo
                                                          que não se
                                                          queiram
                                                          reunir, ao
                                                          mesmo que
                                                          "olhem" para o
                                                          mapa de
                                                          distribuição
                                                          nacional de
                                                          repetidores e
                                                          vejam onde há
                                                          "zonas de
                                                          sombra".<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Não sou contra
                                                          os
                                                          repetidores,
                                                          só sou contra
                                                          é no excesso
                                                          que não se
                                                          justifica.</div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>73's
                                                          Carlos
                                                          Fonseca,
                                                          CT1GFQ<br>
                                                          SKCC #466T ( <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.skccgroup.com" target="_blank">http://www.skccgroup.com</a>
                                                          )
                                                          <br>
                                                          REP #1406 ( <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.rep.pt" target="_blank">www.rep.pt</a>
                                                          )</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Em 9 de
                                                          fevereiro de
                                                          2015 13:30,
                                                          Rui Oliveira <span
                                                          dir="ltr">&lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ruimail24@gmail.com" target="_blank">ruimail24@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                                          escreveu:<br>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          style="margin:0px
                                                          0px 0px 0.8ex;
                                                          padding-left:1ex;
                                                          border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);
                                                          border-left-width:1px;
border-left-style:solid">
                                                          <div
                                                          bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Exatamente
                                                          a minha
                                                          opinião. As
                                                          associações
                                                          juntavam-se e
                                                          faziam pelo
                                                          menos uma
                                                          cobertura
                                                          nacional em
                                                          fonia simples.
                                                          Depois se
                                                          quisessem
                                                          coisas mais
                                                          criativas como
                                                          echolink e
                                                          D-Star e
                                                          Fusion, etc
                                                          etc, cada uma
                                                          punha o que
                                                          quisesse.
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>On
                                                          09/02/2015
                                                          13:21, silva
                                                          antonio
                                                          eduardo wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">Já
                                                          agora fica
                                                          isto
                                                          <div>Como
                                                          alguns
                                                          forenses sabem
                                                          ando por todo
                                                          o país.</div>
                                                          <div>Ex:</div>
                                                          <div>Na cidade
                                                          da guarda nao
                                                          consigo em
                                                          portátil
                                                          chegar Á
                                                          estrela</div>
                                                          <div>Em VILAR
                                                          formoso idem </div>
                                                          <div>Em Évora
                                                          só com muita
                                                          dificuldade
                                                          chego a
                                                          Estremoz </div>
                                                          <div>Concordo
                                                          que as
                                                          associações
                                                          deviam de se
                                                          sentar a uma
                                                          mesa e
                                                          redesenhar o
                                                          vhf uhf é
                                                          demais
                                                          repiters,
                                                          cobrindo assim
                                                          todo o
                                                          território
                                                          continental.</div>
                                                          <div>É uma
                                                          ideia</div>
                                                          <div>Uma boa
                                                          solução é
                                                          aplicação de
                                                          recursos
                                                          poupava se
                                                          muito</div>
                                                          <div>Isto vale
                                                          o que vale<span></span></div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          No dia
                                                          segunda-feira,
                                                          9 de fevereiro
                                                          de 2015, Pedro
                                                          Ribeiro &lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ct7abp@gmail.com" target="_blank">ct7abp@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                                                          escreveu:<br>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          style="margin:0px
                                                          0px 0px 0.8ex;
                                                          padding-left:1ex;
                                                          border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);
                                                          border-left-width:1px;
border-left-style:solid">
                                                          <div
                                                          bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Bom
                                                          dia,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Não sendo
                                                          propriamente
                                                          um adepto do
                                                          proliferar de
                                                          repetidores
                                                          como cogumelos
                                                          (por vezes em
                                                          aglomerados)<br>
                                                          Acho que a
                                                          visão deve
                                                          mais ser
                                                          assumida como:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Vamos
                                                          experimentar
                                                          coisas novas e
                                                          diferentes,
                                                          perceber como
                                                          funcionam e
                                                          como lhes
                                                          poderemos
                                                          extrair
                                                          utilidade ...<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Ao invés de:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Usemos o
                                                          echolink (ou o
                                                          skype), é uma
                                                          coisa que
                                                          funciona muito
                                                          bem e dá para
                                                          falar para
                                                          todo o lado
                                                          sem se ter a
                                                          trabalheira de
                                                          afinar antenas
                                                          e cabos e ter
                                                          de andar a
                                                          escolher as
                                                          horas de
                                                          operação...<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          73!<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>On
                                                          08-02-2015
                                                          10:24, Carlos
                                                          Fonseca wrote:<br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          type="cite">
                                                          <p dir="ltr">Se
                                                          estivesse-mos
                                                          lotados de
                                                          repetidores,
                                                          vamos quase na
                                                          centena no
                                                          global,
                                                          fazia-se
                                                          reciclagem.</p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr">Mas
                                                          em PT a
                                                          ideologia eh:<br>
                                                          Quero ter
                                                          muitos, mesmo
                                                          que ás moscas
                                                          a gastar
                                                          eletricidade.</p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr">73's
                                                          de CT1GFQ</p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr">Enviado
                                                          via plataforma
                                                          movél Android
                                                          OS.</p>
                                                          <div>Em
                                                          08/02/2015
                                                          10:04, "J
                                                          Pais" &lt;<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">rttydx@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                                                          escreveu:<br
                                                          type="attribution">
                                                          <blockquote
                                                          style="margin:0px
                                                          0px 0px 0.8ex;
                                                          padding-left:1ex;
                                                          border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);
                                                          border-left-width:1px;
border-left-style:solid">
                                                          <p dir="ltr">Saudações
                                                          a todos</p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr">segundo
                                                          parece vem ai
                                                          mais uma opção
                                                          o DMR.</p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr">Até
                                                          estou mais
                                                          descansado
                                                          porque os
                                                          repetidores
                                                          estão
                                                          lotados,analógicos,dstar,fusion,realmente
                                                          precisamos de
                                                          mais.. digo
                                                          eu..</p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr">ateciosamente</p>
                                                          <p dir="ltr">José
                                                          Pais CT2GRF<br>
                                                          </p>
                                                          <br>
_______________________________________________<br>
                                                          CLUSTER
                                                          mailing list<br>
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</a><br>
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster"
                                                          target="_blank">http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster</a><br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <fieldset></fieldset>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <pre>_______________________________________________
CLUSTER mailing list
<a moz-do-not-send="true">CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster" target="_blank">http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster</a>
</pre>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <pre cols="72">-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 
Callsign: CT7ABP
QRA: Pedro Ribeiro
GRID Locator: IM58mr
QTH: São Francisco, Alcochete, Portugal
NET: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.qrz.com/db/CT7ABP" target="_blank">http://www.qrz.com/db/CT7ABP</a>
CT7ABP is also home station of CR7AJI Diogo
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= </pre>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          -- <br>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">73,
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>CT7ABF</div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <fieldset></fieldset>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <pre>_______________________________________________
CLUSTER mailing list
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:CLUSTER@radio-amador.net" target="_blank">CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster" target="_blank">http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster</a>
</pre>
                                                          </blockquote>
                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <br>
_______________________________________________<br>
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href="mailto:CLUSTER@radio-amador.net" target="_blank">CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</a><br>
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href="http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster"
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:CLUSTER@radio-amador.net" target="_blank">CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster" target="_blank">http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster</a>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:CLUSTER@radio-amador.net" target="_blank">CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster" target="_blank">http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster</a>
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Callsign: CT7ABP
QRA: Pedro Ribeiro
GRID Locator: IM58mr
QTH: São Francisco, Alcochete, Portugal
NET: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.qrz.com/db/CT7ABP" target="_blank">http://www.qrz.com/db/CT7ABP</a>
CT7ABP is also home station of CR7AJI Diogo
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:CLUSTER@radio-amador.net" target="_blank">CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster" target="_blank">http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster</a>
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                                              CLUSTER mailing list<br>
                                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:CLUSTER@radio-amador.net" target="_blank">CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</a><br>
                                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster"
                                                target="_blank">http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster</a><br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:CLUSTER@radio-amador.net" target="_blank">CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster" target="_blank">http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster</a>
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                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:CLUSTER@radio-amador.net"
                                  target="_blank">CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</a><br>
                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster"
                                  target="_blank">http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster</a><br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:CLUSTER@radio-amador.net" target="_blank">CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster" target="_blank">http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster</a>
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                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:CLUSTER@radio-amador.net"
                      target="_blank">CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</a><br>
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster"
                      target="_blank">http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster</a><br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:CLUSTER@radio-amador.net">CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster">http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster</a>
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