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    Eu concordo com isso tudo. Estou a pensar também associar-me a
    alguma associação e ajudar no que eu puder. Infelizmente sendo
    estudante pagar cotas não é fácil. Mas isso é algo a ver.<br>
    Quando as associações, há de tudo. Não quis nunca dizer que se dão
    todas mal. Mas há episódios infelizes de vez em quando. E parece-me
    que mesmo não se dando mal, há falta de comunicação e ordenamento. É
    uma pena. <br>
    De qualquer das formas, repetidores. Há muitos repetidores no
    litoral, poucos no interior. Muitos uns em cima dos outros, que
    podiam estar em zonas sombra. São custo de manutenção e instalação
    completamente redundantes.<br>
    Sobre estarem as moscas, caro colega, só não os uso porque não
    posso. <br>
    <br>
    73<br>
    CR7ALW<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09/02/2015 19:47, Paulo Mendes
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAJVR2PPyhe0MWO+tQArfv2JbLOqokewy2Wb0LsnChwPHnaFsyQ@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">Caros colegas, as Associações não se dão mal umas
        com as outras... pode existir uma pequena minoria de dirigentes
        Associativos  que pelos mais diversos motivos não tenham
        opiniões consensuais com os outros e por vezes para defenderem
        as suas ideias ou dos associados das associações que dirigem
        chateiam-se...
        <div>Na minha opinião as Associações precisam de pessoas novas
          para que a sua continuação seja possível, apoiar sempre os
          projectos dos seus sócios quer sejam individuais ou colectivos
          e cooperar com as outras Associações pelo menos nos sistemas
          que partilham.</div>
        <div>Nós somos Radioamadores, somos aproximadamente 6000 no
          entanto no global e somando os sócios de todas as Associações
          garantidamente que não se chega a esse valor  (6000) mesmo
          contado os que são sócios de várias em simultâneo, com isto
          quero apelar mais uma vez para que se façam sócios de
          Associações que elas precisam é de Associados!!  nós
          Radiamadores Portugueses não precisamos de mais Associações,
          precisamos é de estarmos juntos nas que já existem. </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Não se esquecer que os Repetidores estão ás moscas porque
          nós Radioamadores não comunicamos neles, eles estão
          disponíveis para todos usarem. </div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Quanto a colocar mais repetidores... haja quem queira
          investir, mas continuo na minha, porque investir
          individualmente, acho mais simples meia dúzia de colegas
          arranjarem material, montar o equipamento, e ceder à
          Associação que são sócios para uso de todos, ninguém fica a
          perder acho eu.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Posso-vos dizer que eu com uns colegas construímos um
          repetidor para a ARAL e o mesmo ficou quase a custo zero para
          a mesma Associação, os componentes do mesmo foram oferecidos
          por alguns colegas, no final todos ficaram a ganhar porque
          além do equipamento trabalhar todos ficaram com o conhecimento
          técnico suficiente para puder eventualmente construir outro
          ainda melhor.</div>
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        <div>Um abraço a todos.</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>Paulo Mendes.</div>
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            <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
              <div class="gmail_quote">No dia 9 de fevereiro de 2015 às
                15:22, Rui Oliveira <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:ruimail24@gmail.com" target="_blank">ruimail24@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                escreveu:<br>
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                  .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Assim por alto
                    em bruto as zonas onde não deve haver cobertura de
                    um repetidor:<br>
                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="http://gyazo.com/28dfff4afdeeee41c5c328913abe6f75"
                      target="_blank">http://gyazo.com/28dfff4afdeeee41c5c328913abe6f75</a><br>
                    <br>
                    Concordo com a ideia de partilhar repetidores,
                    aliada à ideia de uma concertação nacional. É minha
                    opinião que <br>
                    e uma vergonha as associações darem-se mal como dão.
                    Tantas associações para 6mil amadores e ainda dão-se
                    mal? É uma vergonha, sinceramente. Mas isso fica
                    para outra discussão.<br>
                    <br>
                    73<br>
                    CR7ALW
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                      <div class="h5"><br>
                        <br>
                        <div>On 09/02/2015 13:58, CR7ALB Rui Silva
                          wrote:<br>
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                              style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Eu

                              iria ligeiramente mais longe.<br>
                              <br>
                              Suponhamos que existe a necessidade de um
                              repetidor numa zona vazia.<br>
                              <br>
                              Porque não haver um ou mais repetidores
                              com custos partilhados?<br>
                              Duas ou três Associações a partilharem
                              custos, ficara muito mais barato. <br>
                              <br>
                              Bem sei que a lei so permite uma
                              Associaçao ficar "Registada" como "dona"
                              do repetidor. Mas deixar isso em acordo
                              escrito e assinado pelas partes.<br>
                              <br>
                              Mas atenção, não é só olhar para as
                              Associaçoes. Os utilizadores deviam em
                              contrapartida , associarem-se de modo a
                              ajudar com as quotas.<br>
                              <br>
                              Ou ainda em modo voluntário, quem sabe,
                              ceder material ou espaço para a instalação
                              do hipotetico repetidor.<br>
                              <br>
                              Tudo e possível. Basta querer e ter
                              vontade.<br>
                              <br>
                              A sensação que me fica, é que quando se
                              pensa numa coisa destas, o NÃO esta tão
                              interiozado, quem nem se chega a tentar.
                              Isto sou eu a pensar.<br>
                              <br>
                              Sem outro assunto de momento<br>
                              73<br>
                              CR7ALB<br>
                              Rui Silva<br>
                              93 634 52 33<br>
                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://www.anv.pt" target="_blank">www.anv.pt</a>
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                            <hr> <span
                              style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">De:

                            </span><span
                              style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:ct1gfqgrupos@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank">Carlos Fonseca</a></span><br>
                            <span
                              style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">Enviado:

                            </span><span
                              style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">‎09/‎02/‎2015
                              13:40</span><br>
                            <span
                              style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">Para:

                            </span><span
                              style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt"><a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:cluster@radio-amador.net"
                                target="_blank">Resumo Noticioso
                                ARLA/CLUSTER</a></span><br>
                            <span
                              style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt;font-weight:bold">Assunto:

                            </span><span
                              style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:11pt">Re:
                              ARLA/CLUSTER: Vem ai mais .....</span><br>
                            <br>
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                            <div dir="ltr">
                              <div>... mesmo que não se queiram reunir,
                                ao mesmo que "olhem" para o mapa de
                                distribuição nacional de repetidores e
                                vejam onde há "zonas de sombra".<br>
                                <br>
                                Não sou contra os repetidores, só sou
                                contra é no excesso que não se
                                justifica.</div>
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                                      <div>73's Carlos Fonseca, CT1GFQ<br>
                                        SKCC #466T ( <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="http://www.skccgroup.com"
                                          target="_blank">http://www.skccgroup.com</a>
                                        ) <br>
                                        REP #1406 ( <a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="http://www.rep.pt"
                                          target="_blank">www.rep.pt</a>
                                        )</div>
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                                <br>
                                <div>Em 9 de fevereiro de 2015 13:30,
                                  Rui Oliveira <span dir="ltr"> &lt;<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:ruimail24@gmail.com"
                                      target="_blank">ruimail24@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                  escreveu:<br>
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0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
                                    <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Exatamente a
                                      minha opinião. As associações
                                      juntavam-se e faziam pelo menos
                                      uma cobertura nacional em fonia
                                      simples. Depois se quisessem
                                      coisas mais criativas como
                                      echolink e D-Star e Fusion, etc
                                      etc, cada uma punha o que
                                      quisesse.
                                      <div>
                                        <div><br>
                                          <br>
                                          <div>On 09/02/2015 13:21,
                                            silva antonio eduardo wrote:<br>
                                          </div>
                                          <blockquote type="cite">Já
                                            agora fica isto
                                            <div>Como alguns forenses
                                              sabem ando por todo o
                                              país.</div>
                                            <div>Ex:</div>
                                            <div>Na cidade da guarda nao
                                              consigo em portátil chegar
                                              Á estrela</div>
                                            <div>Em VILAR formoso idem </div>
                                            <div>Em Évora só com muita
                                              dificuldade chego a
                                              Estremoz </div>
                                            <div>Concordo que as
                                              associações deviam de se
                                              sentar a uma mesa e
                                              redesenhar o vhf uhf é
                                              demais repiters, cobrindo
                                              assim todo o território
                                              continental.</div>
                                            <div>É uma ideia</div>
                                            <div>Uma boa solução é
                                              aplicação de recursos
                                              poupava se muito</div>
                                            <div>Isto vale o que vale<span></span></div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div><br>
                                              <br>
                                              No dia segunda-feira, 9 de
                                              fevereiro de 2015, Pedro
                                              Ribeiro &lt;<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:ct7abp@gmail.com"
                                                target="_blank">ct7abp@gmail.com</a>&gt;

                                              escreveu:<br>
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                                                style="margin:0px 0px
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0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
                                                <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Bom
                                                  dia,<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Não sendo propriamente
                                                  um adepto do
                                                  proliferar de
                                                  repetidores como
                                                  cogumelos (por vezes
                                                  em aglomerados)<br>
                                                  Acho que a visão deve
                                                  mais ser assumida
                                                  como:<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Vamos experimentar
                                                  coisas novas e
                                                  diferentes, perceber
                                                  como funcionam e como
                                                  lhes poderemos extrair
                                                  utilidade ...<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Ao invés de:<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Usemos o echolink (ou
                                                  o skype), é uma coisa
                                                  que funciona muito bem
                                                  e dá para falar para
                                                  todo o lado sem se ter
                                                  a trabalheira de
                                                  afinar antenas e cabos
                                                  e ter de andar a
                                                  escolher as horas de
                                                  operação...<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  73!<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <div>On 08-02-2015
                                                    10:24, Carlos
                                                    Fonseca wrote:<br>
                                                  </div>
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                                                    type="cite">
                                                    <p dir="ltr">Se
                                                      estivesse-mos
                                                      lotados de
                                                      repetidores, vamos
                                                      quase na centena
                                                      no global,
                                                      fazia-se
                                                      reciclagem.</p>
                                                    <p dir="ltr">Mas em
                                                      PT a ideologia eh:<br>
                                                      Quero ter muitos,
                                                      mesmo que ás
                                                      moscas a gastar
                                                      eletricidade.</p>
                                                    <p dir="ltr">73's de
                                                      CT1GFQ</p>
                                                    <p dir="ltr">Enviado
                                                      via plataforma
                                                      movél Android OS.</p>
                                                    <div>Em 08/02/2015
                                                      10:04, "J Pais"
                                                      &lt;<a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true">rttydx@gmail.com</a>&gt;

                                                      escreveu:<br
                                                        type="attribution">
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                                                        style="margin:0px
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0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
                                                        <p dir="ltr">Saudações
                                                          a todos</p>
                                                        <p dir="ltr">segundo
                                                          parece vem ai
                                                          mais uma opção
                                                          o DMR.</p>
                                                        <p dir="ltr">Até
                                                          estou mais
                                                          descansado
                                                          porque os
                                                          repetidores
                                                          estão
                                                          lotados,analógicos,dstar,fusion,realmente
                                                          precisamos de
                                                          mais.. digo
                                                          eu..</p>
                                                        <p dir="ltr">ateciosamente</p>
                                                        <p dir="ltr">José
                                                          Pais CT2GRF<br>
                                                        </p>
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Callsign: CT7ABP
QRA: Pedro Ribeiro
GRID Locator: IM58mr
QTH: São Francisco, Alcochete, Portugal
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                                            <div dir="ltr">73,
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>CT7ABF</div>
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                                      href="http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster"
                                      target="_blank">http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster</a><br>
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                  <div>Com os melhores cumprimentos.</div>
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