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    Quando se tenta ouvir D-Star com muito ruido sai disto:<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/02/2015 18:03, João Costa &gt;
      CT1FBF wrote:<br>
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        <div>"DStar também tem repetidores analógico + digital"</div>
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        Tem e estão a ser desenvolvidos integralmente por radioamadores.
        Não são projectos comerciais, exemplo o CQ0DBO a ser instalado
        na Serra do Bunheiro em Chaves..
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        <div>João Costa (CT1FBF)</div>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">Em 2 de fevereiro de 2015 17:21,
            CS7AGH <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:cs7agh@sapo.pt" target="_blank">cs7agh@sapo.pt</a>&gt;</span>
            escreveu:<br>
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                <div>Colega, <br>
                  DStar também tem repetidores analógico + digital...<br>
                  <br>
                  73,<br>
                  Paulo<br>
                  CS7AGH<br>
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                  <div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000"
                      face="Arial,sans-serif"><span
                        style="font-size:12pt">Oh Rui - CR7ALW, sim até
                        aí, está certo! QTH</span><br>
                      <br>
                      <span style="font-size:12pt">E que tal quando
                        pudermos andar na viatura a patilhar?</span><br>
                      <span style="font-size:12pt">Vamos recorrer à </span>Framboesa<span
                        style="font-size:12pt">? Certo!<br>
                      </span><br>
                      Aí passaremos a ter de ter duas Framboesas! Aliás
                      pelo que sei a DV-Mega está para o D-star.<br>
                      <br>
                      Peço aos entendidos que nos indiquem se o Fusion
                      eventualmente trabalhará com DV-Mega!<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      Tudo indica que possa vir a ter uma Rasp-Pi+DVMega
                      este mês ou no proximo. Dependerá do meu Sup. CT2.<br>
                      Mas como irá trabalhar o Fusion.<br>
                      <br>
                      É de salientar, que não estou a dizer mal do
                      Fusion. É de louvar o facto de o mesmo ser
                      analógico e digital, tudo num só.<br>
                      <br>
                      <br>
                      Isto é quase como em tempos que, <br>
                      <br>
                      Quem tinha um MAC, só tinha um formato de
                      ficheiros.<br>
                      Quem tinha um WIN, só tinha um formato de
                      ficheiros<br>
                      Quem tinha ubuntu, só tinha um formato de
                      ficheiros.<br>
                      <br>
                      Mas parece que com o passar dos anos, as coisas
                      foram ao sitio.<br>
                      <br>
                      Até poderei entender em certa parte a Yaesu querer
                      "conquistar" terreno no digital. Mas a meu ver,
                      mais fácil e mais rápido seria:<br>
                      - entrar no digital<br>
                      - poder "cruzar-se" com o D-star<br>
                      - baixar o preço dos equipamentos<br>
                      - criar um equipamento de entrada de gama (tal
                      como nos telemóveis)<br>
                      <br>
                      Assim, "comia" aos pontos a I-COM que ficava a ver
                      navios na doca.<br>
                      <br>
                      É que nem a Kenwood se mexe. <br>
                      <br>
                      Qualquer dia a Kenwood também avançará com um
                      protocolo.<br>
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                    73<br>
                    <br>
                    Sem outro assunto de momento<br>
                    Cordiais Cumprimentos<br>
                    CR7ALB<br>
                    Rui Silva<br>
                    QTH:Viseu<br>
                    936345233<br>
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                      <hr>Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 16:57:56 +0000<br>
                      From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:ruimail24@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank">ruimail24@gmail.com</a><br>
                      To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:cluster@radio-amador.net"
                        target="_blank">cluster@radio-amador.net</a><br>
                      Subject: Re: ARLA/CLUSTER: Modos digitais<br>
                      <br>
                      Com um computador consegues receber D-Start/Fusion
                      com um SDR (melhor coisa que já comprei). Aposto
                      que até deve haver formas de enviar modulação
                      digital por um radio analógico com interface com o
                      PC. Os modos digitais também são rádio FM, mas em
                      vez de a modulação ser de uma onda sonora é de um
                      conjunto de dados. É tipo RTTY ou algo do género.<br>
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                      <div>On 02/02/2015 16:52, CR7ALB Rui Silva wrote:<br>
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                        <div dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:12pt"
                            color="#000000" face="Arial,sans-serif"
                            size="3">Caros colegas, deixem-me desabafar
                            sobre isto!<br>
                            <br>
                            Era uma vez o D-star<br>
                            Era uma vez o Fusion<br>
                            No futuro o que virá?<br>
                            <br>
                            Quer-se dizer, se não tenho fusion, não falo
                            com quem tenha fusion. Se não tenho D-star,
                            não falo com quem tenha D-star.<br>
                            <br>
                            Fiz em tempos um pergunta aqui no cluster!
                            Vou fazê-la novamente.<br>
                            <br>
                            Para onde (ou para que onda) vamos? Em que
                            sentido? D-star? Fusion?<br>
                            Afinal com que linhas hertzianas vou ter de
                            me "coser"?<br>
                            <br>
                            Deverei construir uma rack como outrora me
                            disse um colega nosso?<br>
                            Para falar com CT1"xcs" tenho de ter fusion!
                            Para falar com CT2cvw tenho de ter D-star.<br>
                            <br>
                            Qualquer dia para falar comigo tenho de ter
                            também eu, um protocolo encriptado!<br>
                            <br>
                            Não há ninguém que regule o mercado? Nem a
                            Europa? Tanto para umas coisas e nada para
                            outras<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            Valha-me nossa senhora dos AMBES aflitos
                            (como todo o respeito aos santo e santas)<br>
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                          73<br>
                          <br>
                          Sem outro assunto de momento<br>
                          Cordiais Cumprimentos<br>
                          CR7ALB<br>
                          Rui Silva<br>
                          QTH:Viseu<br>
                          936345233<br>
                          <br>
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                            <hr>Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 16:42:30 +0000<br>
                            Subject: Re: ARLA/CLUSTER: Modos digitais<br>
                            From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:ct1dqv.arat@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank">ct1dqv.arat@gmail.com</a><br>
                            To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:cluster@radio-amador.net"
                              target="_blank">cluster@radio-amador.net</a><br>
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                            <div dir="ltr">Boa tarde.
                              <div><br>
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                              <div>A resposta é simples.</div>
                              <div><br>
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                              <div> Como a Yaesu chegou tarde ao Digital
                                para Amador  e para conseguir alguma
                                quota de mercado  está com uma campanha
                                 nos  repetidores FUSION ao preço da
                                 "uva mijona". </div>
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                              <div>73</div>
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                              <div>No dia 2 de fevereiro de 2015 às
                                16:29, CS7AGH <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    href="mailto:cs7agh@sapo.pt"
                                    target="_blank">cs7agh@sapo.pt</a>&gt;</span>
                                escreveu:<br>
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                                  <div> Boa tarde.<br>
                                    No ano passado em Almeirim
                                    questionei alguns colegas sobre a
                                    mais valia de apostar num rádio
                                    portátil digital, dada a mais valia
                                    dos pequenos repetidores d-star como
                                    o Rasp. PI lá em demonstração e
                                    fiquei curioso com a solução, dada
                                    também a oferta D-Star na área da
                                    grande Lisboa e arredores. Hoje,
                                    tomei conhecimento pelo caríssimo
                                    João Costa que vamos passar a ter
                                    três repetidores Fusion que vêm
                                    assim fazer "rivalidade" aos D-Star
                                    já espalhados pelo território
                                    nacional (leia-se, principalmente no
                                    litoral). <br>
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                                    <br>
                                    Lendo na diagonal os dados do
                                    Fusion, não vejo grandes vantagens
                                    deste sobre o D-Star, apenas que são
                                    provenientes de empresas rivais.<br>
                                    A questão é, hoje em dia vale a pena
                                    investir num, no outro ou em nenhum?
                                    É que mesmo com este "aumento de
                                    oferta" para quem tem ou quer
                                    comprar Yeasu e não Icom,
                                    sinceramente a última parece-me
                                    mesmo assim a mais plausível.<br>
                                    Qual foi a razão principal das três
                                    associações investirem no Fusion e
                                    não no D-Star? Preço dos
                                    equipamentos? Inovação?
                                    Provavelmente, há semelhança do que
                                    ocorre nos portáteis, o preço andará
                                    ela por ela e fugir de um sistema
                                    que até tem alguma utilização (pelo
                                    número de repetidores, não de
                                    utilização dos mesmos, valor que
                                    desconheço) para um menos "provado"
                                    em terras lusitanas parece-me no
                                    mínimo arriscado. Não estou a
                                    reclamar, estou apenas a tentar
                                    compreender o porquê. Bem sei que os
                                    que funcionaram como híbridos terão
                                    sempre o analógico disponível mas
                                    mesmo assim.<br>
                                    Qualquer dia andamos com um FT2Dx
                                    num bolso e um ID-31 no outro...
                                    isto quem tenha bolsos fundos o
                                    suficiente para o fazer claro :)<br>
                                    Compreendo que nem todos gostam de
                                    carne e nem todos gostam de peixe,
                                    mas sendo eu dos "gajos" mais
                                    inovadores e curiosos em tecnologia
                                    que conheço, mediante as minhas
                                    possibilidades obviamente, não
                                    percebi esta aposta num sistema, que
                                    volto a frisar, vai agora ter o
                                    terceiro repetidor no país. Sei que
                                    temos de começar por algum lado
                                    mas... se só leio por essa Internet
                                    fora que alguns repetidores estão às
                                    moscas - venha o dia 1 de Março! -
                                    vale a pena instalar novos que
                                    implicam compra de novos
                                    equipamentos e específicos, para os
                                    trabalhar em modo digital? Se
                                    comprar um FT1D/FT2D, com quem falo
                                    em digital hoje em dia? Eu já só
                                    conheço meia duzia de OM's com IC-92
                                    e similares, quanto mais com Fusion.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    73,<br>
                                    Paulo<span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                        CS7AGH<br>
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                href="http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster"
                target="_blank">http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster</a><br>
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CLUSTER mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:CLUSTER@radio-amador.net">CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster">http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster</a>
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