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        Depois de anos de entrega e dedica&ccedil;&atilde;o, sinceramente esperava que
        toda a gente reconhecesse o magn&iacute;fico trabalho desenvolvido pelo
        colega Jorge Santos - CT1JIB e nunca esperaria uma coisa destas.<br>
        <br>
        Se temos o D-Star a trabalhar &eacute; sobretudo a ele que o devemos e
        tamb&eacute;m, claro, &aacute;s associa&ccedil;&otilde;es que abrindo os cord&otilde;es &aacute;s bolsas
        nos proporcionaram mais esta ferramenta de comunica&ccedil;&otilde;es<br>
        <br>
        Pelo trabalho desenvolvido, pela sua correc&ccedil;&atilde;o e superior
        educa&ccedil;&atilde;o o Jorge sempre contar&aacute; comigo para tudo o que
        necessitar.<br>
        <br>
        A ele o meu sincero Muito Obrigado <br>
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      <p style="color:#0000FF"> <b><font face="Arial,Helvetica">J&uacute;lio
            C&eacute;sar - CT1BWI</font></b>
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    Em 03-06-2012 22:37, Carlos Pinheiro escreveu:
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAHKSLhhstHBcBBUyD3jMv9L+V5pn2ggrMKE=vZVOnaVPEdw=Ww@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div>Francamente n&atilde;o comprendo estes ataques ao Jorge Santos,
        CT1JIB.</div>
      <div>&nbsp;</div>
      <div>N&atilde;o tenho o prazer de o conhecer, mas nas poucas transmiss&otilde;es
        que fiz em D-STAR, quer em RF, quer via "Dongle", sempre tive o
        acompanhamento amigo do Jorge, quer para as configura&ccedil;&otilde;es
        necess&aacute;rias, quer para o registo do indicativo.</div>
      <div>&nbsp;</div>
      <div>N&atilde;o tenho&nbsp;a m&iacute;nima reclama&ccedil;&atilde;o, de quem sem me conhecer,
        sempre foi solicito e am&aacute;vel, e competente, o que &eacute; cada vez
        mais raro.</div>
      <div>&nbsp;</div>
      <div>Desculpem o desabafo, mas acho isto de uma injusti&ccedil;a tremenda
        !!!</div>
      <div>&nbsp;</div>
      <div>73 de CT1PT</div>
      <div>Carlos Pinheiro</div>
      <div>&nbsp;<br>
        <br>
      </div>
      <div class="gmail_quote">No dia 3 de Junho de 2012 20:18, Jo&atilde;o
        Carlos Vasco <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:ct1gnr@gmail.com" target="_blank">ct1gnr@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
        escreveu:<br>
        <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px
          0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><br>
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            <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px
              0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Quanto ao resto resta-me comentar que como diz o povo
                "O DSTAR EST&Aacute; ENTREGUE &Agrave; BICHARADA".</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Quanto a ter mencionado o Sr. Antunes deve ter sido
                por&nbsp;acr&eacute;scimo, ou por despeito, pois nada lhe foi
                perguntado nesse sentido.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Os "coitadinhos"... bem se n&atilde;o sabe o significado
                desta&nbsp;express&atilde;o&nbsp;penso que deveria a n&atilde;o usar.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Mas contudo lhe adianto que se olhe no espelho.</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>&nbsp;<br>
                <br>
                <div class="gmail_quote">
                  <div class="im">No dia 3 de Junho de 2012 19:03, Jorge
                    Santos <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:ct1jib@gmail.com" target="_blank">ct1jib@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                    escreveu:</div>
                  <div>
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                          <blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px
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                            0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
                            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Boa
                              tarde colega.<br>
                              <br>
                              Como o colega colocou esta quest&atilde;o na
                              lista e n&atilde;o o fez em modo privado (o meu
                              email est&aacute; no QRZ), reservo-me o direito
                              de lhe responder por esta via, servindo
                              tamb&eacute;m este como informa&ccedil;&atilde;o para os demais
                              colegas.<br>
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              Em resposta &agrave;s suas quest&otilde;es:
                              <div><br>
                                <br>
                                <font color="#3366ff">1. Quem
                                  supervisiona os Repetidores de DStar
                                  em Portugal?</font><br>
                                <br>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote>A supervis&atilde;o t&eacute;cnica da rede
                                est&aacute; sob a minha responsabilidade sempre
                                por solicita&ccedil;&atilde;o da Associa&ccedil;&atilde;o
                                respons&aacute;vel, mas isto j&aacute; deve ser do seu
                                conhecimento, a responsabilidade de
                                licenciamentos &eacute; das Associa&ccedil;&otilde;es que
                                colaboraram no projeto, com respeito &agrave;
                                responsabilidade de utiliza&ccedil;&atilde;o compete a
                                cada um&nbsp; o uso adequado da rede D-Star,
                                na falta de conhecimento &eacute; s&oacute; inquirir
                                existem colegas prontos a poder ajudar,
                                a falta de conhecimento pode levar a
                                utiliza&ccedil;&atilde;o indevida e a problemas na
                                rede, que no caso do repetidor se
                                encontrar ligado internacionalmente,
                                este problema pode sair das nossa
                                fronteiras.<br>
                                <br>
                              </blockquote>
                              <div><font color="#3366ff">2. O XRF &eacute;
                                  propriedade de quem?</font><br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote>&Eacute; propriedade de um datacenter
                                que &eacute; a <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://nfsi.pt/" target="_blank">nfsi.pt</a>,
                                talvez quisesse perguntar "quem pagou o
                                aluguer do XRF?" e nesse caso a resposta
                                &eacute;: - todas as Associa&ccedil;&otilde;es com
                                repetidores D-Star ativos e n&atilde;o sendo
                                completado pelas mesmas por um grupo de
                                radioamadores <b>an&oacute;nimos</b> que
                                contribuem para o bem estar de todos os
                                demais.<br>
                                <br>
                              </blockquote>
                              <div><font color="#3366ff">3. Todas estas
                                  "altera&ccedil;&otilde;es" feitas diariamente, s&atilde;o
                                  para melhorar o qu&ecirc;? (Pois cada vez o
                                  Dstar se encontra a funcionar
                                  em&nbsp;piores&nbsp;condi&ccedil;&otilde;es)<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                </font></div>
                              <blockquote>As altera&ccedil;&otilde;es s&atilde;o feitas para
                                melhoria do sistema, diariamente!?? n&atilde;o
                                colega, a &uacute;ltima altera&ccedil;&atilde;o feita data de
                                16 de Janeiro de 2012, como tal n&atilde;o &eacute;
                                di&aacute;ria. Como j&aacute; resumidamente expliquei
                                na informa&ccedil;&atilde;o dada, o D-Star &eacute; um meio
                                de comunica&ccedil;&atilde;o digital que transmite na
                                RF a informa&ccedil;&atilde;o em 9,6 kbauds do
                                indicativo, callrouting e stream de
                                audio, no slow data, 1200 baud, a
                                mensagem pessoal e o APRS, este &uacute;ltimo
                                sistema que s&oacute; tem 2 meses (portanto
                                ainda se encontra em fase beta), ignora
                                a separa&ccedil;&atilde;o entre a data informativa do
                                indicativo e o datastream e envia
                                simplesmente este &uacute;ltimo, tornando a
                                comunica&ccedil;&atilde;o mais l&iacute;mpida e sem as
                                quebras de sinal que eram notadas no
                                XRF. Como s&oacute; no dia 1 &eacute; que foi
                                instalado o DCS em Portugal s&oacute; a&iacute; foi
                                poss&iacute;vel verificar que entre as &uacute;ltimas
                                semanas em que est&aacute;vamos no DCS002 e o
                                DCS012, que &eacute; agora o nosso, que mesmo
                                assim existem lacunas, entre a madrugada
                                de 1 e o dia de ontem consegui testar e
                                identificar a raz&atilde;o para tal e foi feita
                                a comunica&ccedil;&atilde;o &agrave; entidade que nos aluga o
                                servidor, tanto o XRF como o DCS. Isto
                                n&atilde;o invalida futuras altera&ccedil;&otilde;es visto a
                                aplica&ccedil;&atilde;o ainda ser beta (vers&atilde;o de
                                teste). Se eventualmente o colega se
                                sente lesado, visto que refere que cada
                                vez trabalha pior, e confia poder
                                resolver o problema esteja &agrave; vontade s&atilde;o
                                necess&aacute;rios volunt&aacute;rios com ideias e com
                                disposi&ccedil;&atilde;o para trabalhar.<br>
                                <br>
                              </blockquote>
                              Espero ter respondido &agrave;s suas quest&otilde;es,
                              aproveito no entanto para o informar do
                              que para si devia ser j&aacute; do seu
                              conhecimento:- A rede D-Star trabalha para
                              si e para os demais porque Associa&ccedil;&otilde;es
                              houve que adquiriram os equipamentos e eu
                              e outros dispuseram do seu tempo pessoal e
                              familiar para que o colega possa ter
                              D-Star, ali&aacute;s isto aplica-se a todos os
                              repetidores e sistemas amadores no nosso
                              pa&iacute;s.<br>
                              A rede D-Star &eacute; para TODOS os utilizadores
                              e agradecia que essa "frase" emitida pelo
                              Antunes - CT2JVC se ficasse por isso
                              mesmo, por um deslize de afirma&ccedil;&atilde;o, se
                              acaso o colega ou algu&eacute;m se sentir lesado
                              recorra &agrave; Associa&ccedil;&atilde;o respons&aacute;vel pelo
                              repetidor e em &uacute;ltima inst&acirc;ncia &agrave; ANACOM
                              que &eacute; o regulador nacional, deixem de
                              fazer papeis de "coitadinhos" que n&atilde;o
                              levam a lugar nenhum e n&atilde;o resolvem
                              problemas, o di&aacute;logo a troca de informa&ccedil;&atilde;o
                              e o questionar sim, esta &eacute; a forma
                              correta.<br>
                              Agrade&ccedil;o desde j&aacute; a sua quest&atilde;o e espero
                              ter respondido satisfatoriamente &agrave; mesma,
                              no caso de ainda haver algo n&atilde;o
                              clarificado disponha, prefiro perder tempo
                              tentando informar e ajudar do que algu&eacute;m
                              sem querer (ou n&atilde;o) e por desconhecimento
                              criar um problema em toda a estrutura da
                              rede.<br>
                              <br>
                              &nbsp; <br>
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                                          <pre>73's</pre>
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                              Em 03-06-2012 16:52, Jo&atilde;o Carlos Vasco
                              escreveu:
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <blockquote type="cite">Foi solicitado
                                    que se&nbsp;houvesse&nbsp;alguma duvida que
                                    esta fosse colocada.
                                    <div>Como tal gostaria de ser
                                      esclarecido.</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>1. Quem supervisiona os
                                      Repetidores de DStar em Portugal?</div>
                                    <div>2. O XRF &eacute; propriedade de quem?</div>
                                    <div>3. Todas estas "altera&ccedil;&otilde;es"
                                      feitas diariamente, s&atilde;o para
                                      melhorar o qu&ecirc;? (Pois cada vez o
                                      Dstar se encontra a funcionar
                                      em&nbsp;piores&nbsp;condi&ccedil;&otilde;es)</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Em forma de desabafo final
                                      pergunto, o Dstar &eacute; para todos
                                      os&nbsp;radio amadores?&nbsp;</div>
                                    <div>Ou &eacute; s&oacute; para os que usem
                                      colarinho branco, como j&aacute; ouvi por
                                      ai dizer...</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>Jo&atilde;o Carlos Vasco</div>
                                    <div>CT1GNR</div>
                                    <div><br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <br>
                                      <div class="gmail_quote">No dia 1
                                        de Junho de 2012 12:02, Jorge
                                        Santos <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="mailto:ct1jib@gmail.com"
                                            target="_blank">ct1jib@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
                                        escreveu:<br>
                                        <blockquote
                                          style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px
                                          solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px
                                          0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex"
                                          class="gmail_quote">
                                          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
                                            text="#000000">Pe&ccedil;o
                                            desculpa, houve um engano no
                                            link do ficheiro para o
                                            Digital Voice agora correcto
                                            pode ser acedido <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64356491/DCS_Hosts.txt"
                                              target="_blank">aqui</a><br>
                                            <br>
                                            <br>
                                            <blockquote type="cite">
                                              <div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                  Para os utilizadores
                                                  das aplica&ccedil;&otilde;es WinDV
                                                  ou Digital Voice podem
                                                  ir a este link buscar
                                                  os ficheiros
                                                  necess&aacute;rios para o
                                                  novo DCS, para o <a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64356491/dcshosts.txt" target="_blank">WinDV
                                                  </a>e para o <a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">Digital
                                                    Voice </a>, para os
                                                  colegas que tenham a
                                                  placa DVRPTR ter&atilde;o que
                                                  atualizar o software
                                                  para a &uacute;ltima vers&atilde;o
                                                  de 27/05/2012. No
                                                  grupo encontra-se este
                                                  &uacute;ltimo software ou se
                                                  desejar poder&aacute; obt&ecirc;-lo
                                                  <a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/64356491/dvrptr.exe" target="_blank">aqui</a>.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Para seguir as
                                                  atualiza&ccedil;&otilde;es e o
                                                  estado dos
                                                  reflectores, tanto o
                                                  DEXTRA - XRF040 como o
                                                  DCS012 poder&aacute; segui-lo
                                                  <a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://dstarportugal.com/" target="_blank">aqui</a>.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Para qualquer d&uacute;vida
                                                  ou sugest&atilde;o agradecia
                                                  o vosso contacto.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  <br>
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                                                          <span><strong>CT1JIB</strong>
                                                          / Jorge Santos<br>
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                                                          <span>QTH-Locator:&nbsp;IM58mo<br>
                                                          CQ Zone:14/ITU
                                                          Zone:37<br>
                                                          Watch data in
                                                          <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.qrz.com/db/CT1JIB" target="_blank">www.qrz.com</a><br>
                                                          QSL Via:
                                                          Bureau or
                                                          Eqsl:<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.eqsl.cc/" target="_blank">www.eqsl.cc</a><br>
                                                          REP Member#
                                                          1748<br>
                                                          ARLA Member#
                                                          070<br>
                                                          ARAT Honorary
                                                          Member# 100<br>
                                                          ARRL/LoTW
                                                          Member#
                                                          2000232451<br>
                                                          AMSAT US
                                                          Member# 36900<br>
                                                          EPC Member#
                                                          5302<br>
                                                          *<br>
                                                          Sysop of
                                                          CQ0DSA,
                                                          CQ0DAH, CQ0DCH<br>
                                                          and XRF040
                                                          DCS012
                                                          Reflectors<br>
                                                          Co-Sysop of
                                                          CQ0DLX,
                                                          CQ0DPT,
                                                          CQ0DSM, CQ0DTV<br>
                                                          *<br>
                                                          D-Star System<br>
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                                            target="_blank">http://radio-amador.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cluster</a><br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:CLUSTER@radio-amador.net">CLUSTER@radio-amador.net</a>
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