ARLA/CLUSTER: APRS - Anexo PHG

Salomao Fresco sal.fresco gmail.com
Quarta-Feira, 24 de Agosto de 2016 - 18:02:08 WEST 

Exemplos #5 e #6 (por curiosidade são originários do mesmo Colega do #4
CT1CYH>S8TXQW via RELAY,WIDE3-3,qAR,CT1AKV <http://aprs.fi/info/CT1AKV> [image:
(suboptimal)]
---> RELAY é um path que o novo paradigma APRS gradualmente vai fazendo
desaparecer.
---> Aconselha-se substituir WIDE, por WIDE2-1 ou WIDE1-1. WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1
são geralmente configurações válidas

CT1CYH-7>S8TTSP via WIDE1*,WIDE3-3,qAR,CS5LX-1 <http://aprs.fi/info/CS5LX-1>
 [image: (suboptimal)]
---> This station is transmitting packets with a configured path of over 3
digipeaters. This causes serious congestion in the APRS network and errors
when plotting the station's route on a map. Please consider using a path of
WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 or WIDE2-2, or even WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2 if you are moving very
far away from an iGATE.



Salomão Fresco

Callsign: CT2IRJ

GRID Locator: IM59sl -- CQ Zone 14 / ITU Zone 37

QTH: Entroncamento, Portugal


 [image: Salomão Fresco no Facebook]
<http://www.facebook.com/salomao.fresco> [image: O meu perfil no LinkedIn]
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/salomaofresco?trk=hp-identity-name> [image:
CT2IRJ em QRZ.COM] <http://www.qrz.com/db/ct2irj>
<http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FCT2IRJ-5%2Ca%2FCT2IRJ-7&timerange=3600&tail=3600>
 [image: European PSK Club] <http://eupsk.com/> [image: Página web da
AMSAT-PO] <http://www.radioamadores.net/amsat-po/>





2016-08-24 17:56 GMT+01:00 Salomao Fresco <sal.fresco  gmail.com>:

> Exemplo #4:
> T1CYH-9>S8TYWX via RELAY,WIDE7-7,qAR,CT1FZC <http://aprs.fi/info/CT1FZC> [image:
> (seriously-bad)]
> ---> RELAY é um path que o novo paradigma APRS gradualmente vai fazendo
> desaparecer.
> ---> WIDE7-7 é excessivo, mesmo para uma estação móvel. Faz com que o
> pacote de dados seja repetido pelo menos 7 vezes, congestionando a rede
> desnecessáriamente.
> Sugestão: Sugestão: corrigr WIDE7-7 para WIDE2-2 ou WIDE3-3; suprimir
> RELAY
>
> Salomão Fresco
>
> Callsign: CT2IRJ
>
> GRID Locator: IM59sl -- CQ Zone 14 / ITU Zone 37
>
> QTH: Entroncamento, Portugal
>
>
>  [image: Salomão Fresco no Facebook]
> <http://www.facebook.com/salomao.fresco> [image: O meu perfil no LinkedIn]
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/salomaofresco?trk=hp-identity-name> [image:
> CT2IRJ em QRZ.COM] <http://www.qrz.com/db/ct2irj>
> <http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FCT2IRJ-5%2Ca%2FCT2IRJ-7&timerange=3600&tail=3600>
>  [image: European PSK Club] <http://eupsk.com/> [image: Página web da
> AMSAT-PO] <http://www.radioamadores.net/amsat-po/>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2016-08-24 10:08 GMT+01:00 Salomao Fresco <sal.fresco  gmail.com>:
>
>> Exemplo #3:
>> CQ0PCV-3>APRS via WIDE,qAR,CT1FZC <http://aprs.fi/info/CT1FZC> [image:
>> (suboptimal)]
>> ---> Aconselha-se substituir WIDE, por WIDE2-1 ou WIDE1-1.
>> WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 são geralmente configurações válidas
>>
>>
>>
>> Salomão Fresco
>>
>> Callsign: CT2IRJ
>>
>> GRID Locator: IM59sl -- CQ Zone 14 / ITU Zone 37
>>
>> QTH: Entroncamento, Portugal
>>
>>
>>  [image: Salomão Fresco no Facebook]
>> <http://www.facebook.com/salomao.fresco>
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/salomaofresco?trk=hp-identity-name>
>> <http://www.qrz.com/db/ct2irj>
>> <http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FCT2IRJ-5%2Ca%2FCT2IRJ-7&timerange=3600&tail=3600>
>>   <http://eupsk.com/> [image: AMSAT-PO]
>> <http://www.radioamadores.net/amsat-po/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2016-08-24 10:03 GMT+01:00 Salomao Fresco <sal.fresco  gmail.com>:
>>
>>>
>>> Exemplo #2:
>>> 2016-08-23 18:45:29 WEST: *CT1EHY
>>> <http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&limit=&call=CT1EHY>*>SX4VVP,RELAY,WIDE,2-2
>>> <http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&limit=&call=2-2>,qAR,CS5LX-1
>>> <http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&limit=&call=CS5LX-1>:'<0x7f>^Dl <0x1c>K\]
>>> ---> WIDE,2-2 é inválido, correctamente seria WIDE2-2.
>>> ---> RELAY é um path que o novo paradigma APRS gradualmente vai fazendo
>>> desaparecer.
>>> Sugestão: corrigr WIDE, 2-2 para WIDE2-2; suprimir RELAY
>>>
>>>
>>> Salomão Fresco
>>>
>>> Callsign: CT2IRJ
>>>
>>> GRID Locator: IM59sl -- CQ Zone 14 / ITU Zone 37
>>>
>>> QTH: Entroncamento, Portugal
>>>
>>>
>>>  [image: Salomão Fresco no Facebook]
>>> <http://www.facebook.com/salomao.fresco>
>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/salomaofresco?trk=hp-identity-name>
>>> <http://www.qrz.com/db/ct2irj>
>>> <http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FCT2IRJ-5%2Ca%2FCT2IRJ-7&timerange=3600&tail=3600>
>>>   <http://eupsk.com/> [image: AMSAT-PO]
>>> <http://www.radioamadores.net/amsat-po/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2016-08-24 9:58 GMT+01:00 Salomao Fresco <sal.fresco  gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Bom dia a todos.
>>>>
>>>> Não querendo que esta temática se fique apenas pelas ideias e boas
>>>> intenções, deixo aqui alguns exemplos de configurações que poderiam ser
>>>> optimizadas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Exemplo #1:
>>>> 2016-08-24 06:17:02 WEST: *CQ0PFO-3
>>>> <http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&limit=&call=CQ0PFO-3>*>APRS,WIDE5-5,qAR,
>>>> CT2GQR-10 <http://aprs.fi/?c=raw&limit=&call=CT2GQR-10>
>>>> :!3719.00N/00835.58W# UIDIGI1.9b   Monchique  / IM57QH  947m.
>>>> ---> o path WIDE5-5 aqui usado, é excessivo e vai causar um aumento de
>>>> trágo na rede, que é desnecessário.
>>>> ---> sugestão: WIDE2-2 é mais que suficiente para um BEACON
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Salomão Fresco
>>>>
>>>> Callsign: CT2IRJ
>>>>
>>>> GRID Locator: IM59sl -- CQ Zone 14 / ITU Zone 37
>>>>
>>>> QTH: Entroncamento, Portugal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  [image: Salomão Fresco no Facebook]
>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/salomao.fresco>
>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/salomaofresco?trk=hp-identity-name>
>>>> <http://www.qrz.com/db/ct2irj>
>>>> <http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FCT2IRJ-5%2Ca%2FCT2IRJ-7&timerange=3600&tail=3600>
>>>>   <http://eupsk.com/> [image: AMSAT-PO]
>>>> <http://www.radioamadores.net/amsat-po/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2016-08-18 12:50 GMT+01:00 Salomao Fresco <sal.fresco  gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Bom dia,
>>>>> Colega Pedro:
>>>>>
>>>>> De facto faz todo o sentido, e  pegando nas informações do seu alerta
>>>>> anterior, que se consigam coordenar em esforço comum os sysops da rede.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aceito e recomendo que se crie um grupo de trabalho neste sentido.
>>>>> Poder-se-à criar um grupo no google+ ou outra plataforma, para que tal
>>>>> se concretize.
>>>>>
>>>>> É então importante que se faça chegar a mensagem a todos os
>>>>> utilizadores/sysops/responsáveis.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seria interessante utilizar a própria rede para difundir esta
>>>>> necessidade (através de BLN ou MSG)
>>>>>
>>>>> Criar um reportório de Perguntas Frequentes (FAQ), que pudesse servir
>>>>> de base de trabalho e auxílio nas configurações.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Saliento ainda que este processo e a boa utilização da rede É
>>>>> responsabilidade nossa. Não dependemos do Regulador para que as coisas
>>>>> corram de feição.
>>>>> Aliás, neste protocolo (e noutros) a AUTO-REGULAÇÃO seria um fim a
>>>>> atingir, à semelhança do que acontece noutros países.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Por mim avançamos.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73 de CT2IRJ
>>>>>
>>>>> Salomão Fresco
>>>>>
>>>>> Callsign: CT2IRJ
>>>>>
>>>>> GRID Locator: IM59sl -- CQ Zone 14 / ITU Zone 37
>>>>>
>>>>> QTH: Entroncamento, Portugal
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  [image: Salomão Fresco no Facebook]
>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/salomao.fresco>
>>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/salomaofresco?trk=hp-identity-name>
>>>>> <http://www.qrz.com/db/ct2irj>
>>>>> <http://aprs.fi/#!mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FCT2IRJ-5%2Ca%2FCT2IRJ-7&timerange=3600&tail=3600>
>>>>>   <http://eupsk.com/> [image: AMSAT-PO]
>>>>> <http://www.radioamadores.net/amsat-po/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2016-08-18 12:21 GMT+01:00 Pedro Ribeiro <ct7abp  gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bom dia,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Não se trata propriamente do que faz mais sentido que concordo ser
>>>>>> como dizem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trata-se das regras, regras do APRS que dizem que o valor tem
>>>>>> determinada lógica e é seguindo essa lógica (altura a partir do solo) que
>>>>>> deve ser para o que os equipamentos nos mostram fazerem sentido.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73!
>>>>>> On 18/08/2016 11:51, Fernando Dinis Silva wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Penso que o Jorge Santos tem razão a mesma situação é com a
>>>>>> localização dos repetidores que temos que mandar para a ANACOM quando
>>>>>> registamos um repetidor no papel para dar os dados  diz que a altura se
>>>>>> mede a partir do nível das águas do mar é com base acima do nível das águas
>>>>>> do mar ou seja no caso da Aldeia dos Chãos encontra-se a 276mt a nível das
>>>>>> águas do mar mais o mastro de seis metros para antena que está agarrada ao
>>>>>> contentor dá uma altitude de 282mt.
>>>>>> Cumprimentos.
>>>>>> Abraço
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sócio nº1 da ARLA
>>>>>> 73/CT1DZ
>>>>>> Fernando Dinis Silva
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No dia 18 de agosto de 2016 às 11:00, Salomao Fresco <
>>>>>> sal.fresco  gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bom dia Pedro.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Desculpe só agora responder.
>>>>>>> Ok. Vai ver a diferença entre o actual e a correcção.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Se a pouco e pouco todos os operadores e sysops forem colaborando,
>>>>>>> teremos a rede afinada. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 73 de CT2IRJ
>>>>>>> Em 18/08/2016 00:08, "Pedro Ribeiro" <ct7abp  gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Boa noite.
>>>>>>> Agradeço a chamada de atenção, ao pormenor que sabia mas me escapou
>>>>>>> na programação do CQ0PLA quando foi para o local de operação.
>>>>>>> Apesar do valor não introduzir erro significativo quando tiver
>>>>>>> oportunidade de passar por lá trato disso (ou mando a informação de
>>>>>>> programação ao Carlos Mourato para ele aplicar)
>>>>>>> 73!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>>>> Callsign: CT7ABP
>>>>>>> QRA: Pedro Ribeiro
>>>>>>> GRID Locator: IM58mr
>>>>>>> QTH: São Francisco, Alcochete, Portugal
>>>>>>> NET: http://www.qrz.com/db/CT7ABP
>>>>>>> CT7ABP is also home station of CR7AJI Diogo
>>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 17 Aug 2016 8:55 p.m., "Salomao Fresco" <sal.fresco  gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Boa tarde Colega Jorge,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Na especificação PHG, e por uma simplicidade, entenda-se menor
>>>>>>>> número de bytes nas frames AX.25.,
>>>>>>>> o formato foi "codificado" em digitos que correspondem aos valores
>>>>>>>> em questão.
>>>>>>>> Esta especificação refere AGL (Above Ground Level) ao invés de ASL
>>>>>>>> (Above Sea Level)
>>>>>>>> ver imagem anexa.
>>>>>>>> No caso do APRS, entenda-se que esta é uma especificação do
>>>>>>>> formato. Noutros sistemas, nomeadamente digitais, esse calculo poderá ser
>>>>>>>> feito de outra forma.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cumprimentos
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Salomão Fresco
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Callsign: CT2IRJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GRID Locator: IM59sl -- CQ Zone 14 / ITU Zone 37
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> QTH: Entroncamento, Portugal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Boa tarde colega Salomão.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Não sendo um assunto que não domino entendo que talvez esteja
>>>>>>>> correto, nos sistemas digitais que controlo a altura da antena é somada à
>>>>>>>> altitude das coordenadas do local. Se a antena estiver colocada numa torre
>>>>>>>> de 12 mts e as coordenadas do local indicarem que está 650 ASL o que
>>>>>>>> aparece no APRS é antenna: 662 mts. Isto no que eu conheço, mas é uma
>>>>>>>> questão que talvez o Mourato possa confirmar no caso do CQ0PLA.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Um obrigado pela chamada de atenção, permite corrigir se acaso
>>>>>>>> houver engano.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *CT1JIB* - *Jorge Santos*
>>>>>>>> Watch data at *www.qrz.com <http://www.qrz.com/db/CT1JIB>*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *QTH Locator: IM58mo91ju *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *CQ Zone 14 / ITU Zone 37 QSL via Bureau or eQSL
>>>>>>>> <http://www.eqsl.cc> *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *REP Member #1748 ARLA Member #070 ARAT Honorary Member #100 ARLC
>>>>>>>> Member #074 ARRL/LoTW #2000232451 AMSAT US #36900 EPC Member #530*
>>>>>>>> Sysop of CQ0DSA, CQ0DCH, CQ0DAH, CQ0DBO, CQ0DLX, CQ0DSM
>>>>>>>> and XRF040, DCS012 reflectors
>>>>>>>> CO-Sysop of CQ0DTV, CQ0DFO
>>>>>>>> Dstar-DTMF call: *1725*
>>>>>>>> DMR ID: 2683007
>>>>>>>> DS*TAR and BrandMeister 2681*
>>>>>>>> Em 17-08-2016 18:11, Salomao Fresco escreveu:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Boas tardes a todos.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ainda no seguimento desta temática.
>>>>>>>> Verifico que a informação PHG destas 3 estações está mal
>>>>>>>> configurada:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  *CQ0PLA-1 <http://aprs.fi/#%21call=a%2FCQ0PLA-1>* · center
>>>>>>>> <http://aprs.fi/> · zoom <http://aprs.fi/> · info
>>>>>>>> <http://aprs.fi/info/a/CQ0PLA-1>
>>>>>>>> 2015-06-20 00:21:50 - 2016-08-17 17:52:36
>>>>>>>> FILLER DIGI Litoral Alentejano, ARLA, Santiago do Cacem
>>>>>>>> power 4W, antenna HAAT 98 m, gain 9 dBi omni,
>>>>>>>> range 45.7 km, rate 4 packets/hour
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  *CT0XSM <http://aprs.fi/#%21call=a%2FCT0XSM>* · center
>>>>>>>> <http://aprs.fi/> · zoom <http://aprs.fi/> · info
>>>>>>>> <http://aprs.fi/info/a/CT0XSM>
>>>>>>>> 2009-07-23 20:08:54 - 2016-08-17 18:01:38
>>>>>>>> (CT0XSM SMiguel,APRS DIGIPEATER(R.C.L.)) 1
>>>>>>>> power 9W, antenna HAAT 780 m, gain 3 dBi omni,
>>>>>>>> range 112.1 km
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  *CQ0PFO-3 <http://aprs.fi/#%21call=a%2FCQ0PFO-3>* · center
>>>>>>>> <http://aprs.fi/> · zoom <http://aprs.fi/> · info
>>>>>>>> <http://aprs.fi/info/a/CQ0PFO-3>
>>>>>>>> 2015-07-11 17:37:57 - 2016-08-17 18:08:12
>>>>>>>> UIDIGI1.9b Monchique / IM57QH 947m.
>>>>>>>> power 9W, antenna HAAT 780 m, gain 3 dBi omni,
>>>>>>>> range 112.1 km
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A vermelho, está indicada a altitude, quando deveria estar a altura
>>>>>>>> da antena relativamente ao solo.
>>>>>>>> Como consequência, o calculo de "range" (alcance) é incorrecto e
>>>>>>>> induz em erro os utilizadores.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cumprimentos
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Salomão Fresco
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Callsign: CT2IRJ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GRID Locator: IM59sl -- CQ Zone 14 / ITU Zone 37
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> QTH: Entroncamento, Portugal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  [image: Salomão Fresco no Facebook]
>>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/salomao.fresco>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/salomaofresco?trk=hp-identity-name>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.qrz.com/db/ct2irj>
>>>>>>>> <http://aprs.fi/#%21mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FCT2IRJ-5%2Ca%2FCT2IRJ-7&timerange=3600&tail=3600>
>>>>>>>>   <http://eupsk.com/> [image: AMSAT-PO]
>>>>>>>> <http://www.radioamadores.net/amsat-po/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Salomao Fresco <
>>>>>>>> sal.fresco  gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Descrição do formato PHG (Power Height Gain)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Salomão Fresco
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Callsign: CT2IRJ
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> GRID Locator: IM59sl -- CQ Zone 14 / ITU Zone 37
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> QTH: Entroncamento, Portugal
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  [image: Salomão Fresco no Facebook]
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/salomao.fresco>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/salomaofresco?trk=hp-identity-name>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.qrz.com/db/ct2irj>
>>>>>>>>> <http://aprs.fi/#%21mt=roadmap&z=11&call=a%2FCT2IRJ-5%2Ca%2FCT2IRJ-7&timerange=3600&tail=3600>
>>>>>>>>>   <http://eupsk.com/> [image: AMSAT-PO]
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.radioamadores.net/amsat-po/>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>>>>>> Callsign: CT7ABP
>>>>>> QRA: Pedro Ribeiro
>>>>>> GRID Locator: IM58mr
>>>>>> QTH: São Francisco, Alcochete, Portugal
>>>>>> NET: http://www.qrz.com/db/CT7ABP
>>>>>> CT7ABP is also home station of CR7AJI Diogo
>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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